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Nobody does containers better than illumos / SmartOS with Solaris zones. Battle tested, enterprise proven technology since 2006, and SmartOS just took it to the

by Annatar 11y ago

Nobody does containers better than illumos / SmartOS with Solaris zones. Battle tested, enterprise proven technology since 2006, and SmartOS just took it to the next level, and the level beyond next with Manta, and then a level beyond that with Triton.

bogomipz 11y ago
That's your opinion and not at all fact. Solaris really? What year is it 1999? I know nobody that uses "illumos / SmartOS with Solaris zones" nor do I ever recall seeing it as a skill that either established companies or start ups are looking for.
- Annatar 11y ago
  ZFS, kdb, mdb, FireEngine, isaexec, Crossbow, vmadm, imgadm, SMF, and FMA make it a fact, not an opinion.
  - nickpsecurity 11y ago
    Oracle being a lock-in and lawsuit heavy company make it any solution depending on them a high-risk one. That they tried to make illegal to do a clean-slate implementation of an API means they want to lock you in even more. It's best to just avoid using any I.P. from a company like that unless the licensing terms protect you in present and future. Feel free to get your hands tied to a company like that. Whereas, there's alternatives for rest of us that are both capable and extortion-free.
    - Annatar 11y ago
      illumos code base, on which SmartOS is based, is free, open source software. It has nothing to do with Oracle and it runs best on intel hardware.
      - nickpsecurity 11y ago
        You mean the tech that has nothing to do with Oracle that's built on this foundation: http://www.infoworld.com/article/2617566/open-source-software/after-oracle--opensolaris-rises-again.html http://www.infoworld.com/article/2617566/open-source-softwar... So, it was started by a devious company. They tried to kill it off. It's being maintained and extended by a small pool of talented labor. Many of its features are migrating over to BSD and Linux. They have lots more work going into them. Also less risk of copyright and patent lawsuits in the future. All in all, it seems that it's a dead-end, Oracle project that's probably going to stay behind the others in various ways with unknown risk from its parent company. And should still be avoided.
        melloc 11y ago
        Your biggest concern seems to be that a litigious Oracle could come after someone using an illumos-based system: > It's best to just avoid using any I.P. from a company like that unless the licensing terms protect you in present and future. But this is exactly what the CDDL does as a copyleft license with a patent grant. There's a good reason why Oracle hasn't gone after anyone for using illumos or OpenZFS: they can't, because these people are protected by the license the software is developed under. The most Oracle was capable of doing was changing the license under which they develop internally. The rest of your concern seems to be about development effort and the number of contributors. While illumos-developer is not as busy the LKML, there is definitely a lot of work going into continuing development of illumos, and regular improvements.
        nickpsecurity 11y ago
        I appreciate you actually addressing the concerns with some evidence. :) The CDDL would then knock out the patent side of the issue far as that licensed material goes. That Oracle keeps doing things like trying to copyright the API's and such might still be a risk. Not to mention it's hard to defend against a company like that whether they have a case or not. So, some residual risk there. Good that there's significant work going into it. Although my comments don't seem this way, I'm actually a fan of multiple codebases being developed for UNIX for diversity purposes. Especially preventing one-bug-hits-all situations. I also wanted IRIX and other defunct UNIX code open-sourced for that reason. I'll give OpenSolaris bunch as doing better than anything else based on a legacy, commercial UNIX. ;)
samkone 11y ago
Lol

by Annatar 11y ago

bogomipz 11y ago

That's your opinion and not at all fact. Solaris really? What year is it 1999? I know nobody that uses "illumos / SmartOS with Solaris zones" nor do I ever recall seeing it as a skill that either established companies or start ups are looking for.

Annatar 11y ago
ZFS, kdb, mdb, FireEngine, isaexec, Crossbow, vmadm, imgadm, SMF, and FMA make it a fact, not an opinion.
- nickpsecurity 11y ago
  Oracle being a lock-in and lawsuit heavy company make it any solution depending on them a high-risk one. That they tried to make illegal to do a clean-slate implementation of an API means they want to lock you in even more. It's best to just avoid using any I.P. from a company like that unless the licensing terms protect you in present and future. Feel free to get your hands tied to a company like that. Whereas, there's alternatives for rest of us that are both capable and extortion-free.
  - Annatar 11y ago
    illumos code base, on which SmartOS is based, is free, open source software. It has nothing to do with Oracle and it runs best on intel hardware.
    - nickpsecurity 11y ago
      You mean the tech that has nothing to do with Oracle that's built on this foundation: http://www.infoworld.com/article/2617566/open-source-software/after-oracle--opensolaris-rises-again.html http://www.infoworld.com/article/2617566/open-source-softwar... So, it was started by a devious company. They tried to kill it off. It's being maintained and extended by a small pool of talented labor. Many of its features are migrating over to BSD and Linux. They have lots more work going into them. Also less risk of copyright and patent lawsuits in the future. All in all, it seems that it's a dead-end, Oracle project that's probably going to stay behind the others in various ways with unknown risk from its parent company. And should still be avoided.
      - melloc 11y ago
        Your biggest concern seems to be that a litigious Oracle could come after someone using an illumos-based system: > It's best to just avoid using any I.P. from a company like that unless the licensing terms protect you in present and future. But this is exactly what the CDDL does as a copyleft license with a patent grant. There's a good reason why Oracle hasn't gone after anyone for using illumos or OpenZFS: they can't, because these people are protected by the license the software is developed under. The most Oracle was capable of doing was changing the license under which they develop internally. The rest of your concern seems to be about development effort and the number of contributors. While illumos-developer is not as busy the LKML, there is definitely a lot of work going into continuing development of illumos, and regular improvements.
        nickpsecurity 11y ago
        I appreciate you actually addressing the concerns with some evidence. :) The CDDL would then knock out the patent side of the issue far as that licensed material goes. That Oracle keeps doing things like trying to copyright the API's and such might still be a risk. Not to mention it's hard to defend against a company like that whether they have a case or not. So, some residual risk there. Good that there's significant work going into it. Although my comments don't seem this way, I'm actually a fan of multiple codebases being developed for UNIX for diversity purposes. Especially preventing one-bug-hits-all situations. I also wanted IRIX and other defunct UNIX code open-sourced for that reason. I'll give OpenSolaris bunch as doing better than anything else based on a legacy, commercial UNIX. ;)

samkone 11y ago

Lol