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> as they embark on an ugly and dishonest campaign against Flash. Apple's campaign against flash isn't dishonest. It's a campaign designed to keep Flash away f

by mcav 17y ago

> as they embark on an ugly and dishonest campaign against Flash. Apple's campaign against flash isn't dishonest. It's a campaign designed to keep Flash away from Apple's products, but it isn't very ugly as far as campaigns go, and Apple certainly isn't being dishonest about it.

hga 17y ago
I think there's dishonesty in that enabling Flash on the IPod/Touch/Pad allows an end run about their app store. Yes, Adobe's software in this domain sucks, but I seriously doubt Apple is trying to meet them halfway, Flash is a mortal threat to their business model.
- pedrocr 17y ago
  > I think there's dishonesty in that enabling Flash on the IPod/Touch/Pad allows an end run about their app store. So Apple's monopoly over a part of their own great product is threatening Adobe's monopoly over a part of the whole Web based on a crappy product. Let's not shed too many tears here. I don't like the lock-in in Apple products, and don't use any, but I'm loving that finally someone is pushing back on Adobe for all the harm they've done to the Web.
  - reginaldo 17y ago
    You can say that Flash is crappy, all right. But it certainty isn't a monopoly. If someone is not satisfied with Flash, they can go ahead and build another Rich Internet Application Plaftorm, as Microsoft is doing with Silverlight and Sun is (was?) with JavaFX. So everyone can, in principle, have access to the part of the Web that Flash "conquered". It is hard, but possible. Apple, on the other hand, is the one true gatekeeper that ultimately defines what runs in their systems. You can only have access to their platform by abiding to their terms. They are just impossible to bypass.
    - evgen 17y ago
      And if someone is not satisfied with Apple's mobile product and policies related to same they can go ahead and build their own phone OS, as Google is doing with Android and MS is doing with whatever dumb name they have for their phone platform this week. Anyone can have access to the part of the mobile space that the iPhone OS "conquered." It is hard, but possible. Apple is a gatekeeper to their platform, as those other companies mentioned are gatekeepers to their own platforms...as Adobe is a gatekeeper to their own platform. It is not impossible to bypass any of them. If Apple decides that they don't want you pissing in the shallow end of their pool they can ask you to leave; you can go swim in someone else's pond or you can get yourself a shovel and start digging your own, but there is no monopoly involved here at all.

by mcav 17y ago

hga 17y ago

I think there's dishonesty in that enabling Flash on the IPod/Touch/Pad allows an end run about their app store. Yes, Adobe's software in this domain sucks, but I seriously doubt Apple is trying to meet them halfway, Flash is a mortal threat to their business model.

pedrocr 17y ago
> I think there's dishonesty in that enabling Flash on the IPod/Touch/Pad allows an end run about their app store. So Apple's monopoly over a part of their own great product is threatening Adobe's monopoly over a part of the whole Web based on a crappy product. Let's not shed too many tears here. I don't like the lock-in in Apple products, and don't use any, but I'm loving that finally someone is pushing back on Adobe for all the harm they've done to the Web.
- reginaldo 17y ago
  You can say that Flash is crappy, all right. But it certainty isn't a monopoly. If someone is not satisfied with Flash, they can go ahead and build another Rich Internet Application Plaftorm, as Microsoft is doing with Silverlight and Sun is (was?) with JavaFX. So everyone can, in principle, have access to the part of the Web that Flash "conquered". It is hard, but possible. Apple, on the other hand, is the one true gatekeeper that ultimately defines what runs in their systems. You can only have access to their platform by abiding to their terms. They are just impossible to bypass.
  - evgen 17y ago
    And if someone is not satisfied with Apple's mobile product and policies related to same they can go ahead and build their own phone OS, as Google is doing with Android and MS is doing with whatever dumb name they have for their phone platform this week. Anyone can have access to the part of the mobile space that the iPhone OS "conquered." It is hard, but possible. Apple is a gatekeeper to their platform, as those other companies mentioned are gatekeepers to their own platforms...as Adobe is a gatekeeper to their own platform. It is not impossible to bypass any of them. If Apple decides that they don't want you pissing in the shallow end of their pool they can ask you to leave; you can go swim in someone else's pond or you can get yourself a shovel and start digging your own, but there is no monopoly involved here at all.