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Open Source DC/OS

73 points by hkernbach 10y ago

manishjhawar 10y ago
TL;DR: https://dcos.io/ https://dcos.io/
- manishjhawar 10y ago
  There's a separate thread for it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11525612 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11525612
ifcologne 10y ago
This is big news. Great move and necessary to compete in the fast growing market of data-center automation. I hope that DC/OS gets as much attention in the open-source community as Kubernetes already does.
Annatar 10y ago
Nobody does containers better than illumos / SmartOS with Solaris zones. Battle tested, enterprise proven technology since 2006, and SmartOS just took it to the next level, and the level beyond next with Manta, and then a level beyond that with Triton.
- bogomipz 10y ago
  That's your opinion and not at all fact. Solaris really? What year is it 1999? I know nobody that uses "illumos / SmartOS with Solaris zones" nor do I ever recall seeing it as a skill that either established companies or start ups are looking for.
  - Annatar 10y ago
    ZFS, kdb, mdb, FireEngine, isaexec, Crossbow, vmadm, imgadm, SMF, and FMA make it a fact, not an opinion.
    - nickpsecurity 10y ago
      Oracle being a lock-in and lawsuit heavy company make it any solution depending on them a high-risk one. That they tried to make illegal to do a clean-slate implementation of an API means they want to lock you in even more. It's best to just avoid using any I.P. from a company like that unless the licensing terms protect you in present and future. Feel free to get your hands tied to a company like that. Whereas, there's alternatives for rest of us that are both capable and extortion-free.
      - Annatar 10y ago
        illumos code base, on which SmartOS is based, is free, open source software. It has nothing to do with Oracle and it runs best on intel hardware.
        nickpsecurity 10y ago
        You mean the tech that has nothing to do with Oracle that's built on this foundation: http://www.infoworld.com/article/2617566/open-source-software/after-oracle--opensolaris-rises-again.html http://www.infoworld.com/article/2617566/open-source-softwar... So, it was started by a devious company. They tried to kill it off. It's being maintained and extended by a small pool of talented labor. Many of its features are migrating over to BSD and Linux. They have lots more work going into them. Also less risk of copyright and patent lawsuits in the future. All in all, it seems that it's a dead-end, Oracle project that's probably going to stay behind the others in various ways with unknown risk from its parent company. And should still be avoided.
        melloc 10y ago
        Your biggest concern seems to be that a litigious Oracle could come after someone using an illumos-based system: > It's best to just avoid using any I.P. from a company like that unless the licensing terms protect you in present and future. But this is exactly what the CDDL does as a copyleft license with a patent grant. There's a good reason why Oracle hasn't gone after anyone for using illumos or OpenZFS: they can't, because these people are protected by the license the software is developed under. The most Oracle was capable of doing was changing the license under which they develop internally. The rest of your concern seems to be about development effort and the number of contributors. While illumos-developer is not as busy the LKML, there is definitely a lot of work going into continuing development of illumos, and regular improvements.
- samkone 10y ago
  Lol
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Open Source DC/OS

73 points by hkernbach 10y ago

manishjhawar 10y ago

TL;DR: https://dcos.io/ https://dcos.io/

manishjhawar 10y ago
There's a separate thread for it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11525612 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11525612

ifcologne 10y ago

This is big news. Great move and necessary to compete in the fast growing market of data-center automation. I hope that DC/OS gets as much attention in the open-source community as Kubernetes already does.

Annatar 10y ago

Nobody does containers better than illumos / SmartOS with Solaris zones. Battle tested, enterprise proven technology since 2006, and SmartOS just took it to the next level, and the level beyond next with Manta, and then a level beyond that with Triton.

bogomipz 10y ago
That's your opinion and not at all fact. Solaris really? What year is it 1999? I know nobody that uses "illumos / SmartOS with Solaris zones" nor do I ever recall seeing it as a skill that either established companies or start ups are looking for.
- Annatar 10y ago
  ZFS, kdb, mdb, FireEngine, isaexec, Crossbow, vmadm, imgadm, SMF, and FMA make it a fact, not an opinion.
  - nickpsecurity 10y ago
    Oracle being a lock-in and lawsuit heavy company make it any solution depending on them a high-risk one. That they tried to make illegal to do a clean-slate implementation of an API means they want to lock you in even more. It's best to just avoid using any I.P. from a company like that unless the licensing terms protect you in present and future. Feel free to get your hands tied to a company like that. Whereas, there's alternatives for rest of us that are both capable and extortion-free.
    - Annatar 10y ago
      illumos code base, on which SmartOS is based, is free, open source software. It has nothing to do with Oracle and it runs best on intel hardware.
      - nickpsecurity 10y ago
        You mean the tech that has nothing to do with Oracle that's built on this foundation: http://www.infoworld.com/article/2617566/open-source-software/after-oracle--opensolaris-rises-again.html http://www.infoworld.com/article/2617566/open-source-softwar... So, it was started by a devious company. They tried to kill it off. It's being maintained and extended by a small pool of talented labor. Many of its features are migrating over to BSD and Linux. They have lots more work going into them. Also less risk of copyright and patent lawsuits in the future. All in all, it seems that it's a dead-end, Oracle project that's probably going to stay behind the others in various ways with unknown risk from its parent company. And should still be avoided.
        melloc 10y ago
        Your biggest concern seems to be that a litigious Oracle could come after someone using an illumos-based system: > It's best to just avoid using any I.P. from a company like that unless the licensing terms protect you in present and future. But this is exactly what the CDDL does as a copyleft license with a patent grant. There's a good reason why Oracle hasn't gone after anyone for using illumos or OpenZFS: they can't, because these people are protected by the license the software is developed under. The most Oracle was capable of doing was changing the license under which they develop internally. The rest of your concern seems to be about development effort and the number of contributors. While illumos-developer is not as busy the LKML, there is definitely a lot of work going into continuing development of illumos, and regular improvements.
samkone 10y ago
Lol

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