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That's not correct. In a typical jazz swing drum beat the high-hat is closing on 2 and 4 (the upbeats). In a typical rock drum beat the bass drum is on 1 and

That's not correct. In a typical jazz swing drum beat the high-hat is closing on 2 and 4 (the upbeats). In a typical rock drum beat the bass drum is on 1 and the snare drum is on 3 (the downbeats). There's almost never emphasis on the upbeats. The two styles are almost completely opposite in feel and that Metheny track is using the rock style.

aczerepinski 10y ago
Both jazz and rock (and virtually all popular American styles... country, hip hop, etc) put the "boom" on 1 and the "clap" on 2. Regardless of whether that "clap" is a high-hat, snare, rim, etc, it's the beat you would clap your hands on. The two approaches you describe ("emphasis on 2 and 4" and "emphasis on 3") are actually the same thing. You're just counting twice as fast when you identify 3 as the back beat vs 2 & 4. To say that another way, any song that can be notated with the snare on 3 could also be notated with the snare on 2 & 4 by halving the tempo. I think most musicians would notate "And Then I Knew" such that the snare falls on 2 and 4, but that could probably go either way. I'd contrast this with classical music (classical as in Mozart), where the emphasis is on beats 1 and 3.
duderific 10y ago
Huh? In typical rock, the bass drum is on 1 and 3, and the snare drum is on 2 and 4. Think "boom...bap...boom...bap". 1 and 3 are the downbeats and 2 and 4 are the upbeats. Maybe you are thinking about counting eighth notes on the high hat -- in that case the bass drum would be on the first high hat hit, and the snare would be on the third. However the counting should always be on the quarter note, i.e., two high hat hits per count -- "One and two and three and four and."
- daviddaviddavid 10y ago
  No, I'm talking quarter notes in 4/4 time here. Bass drum on one, snare drum on 3 and timekeeping hand playing on all four quarter notes. In your "boom...bap...boom...bap", the ellipses are quarter-note rests. Listen to any simple rock tune, say, AC/DC's Back in Black. With BD == Bass Drum, SD == Snare Drum, HH == High Hat, what you get is: Note | 1 2 3 4 -----|----------------- HH | x x x x BD | x SD | x
  - 6581 10y ago
    That's only half a measure. What you transcribed as 1, 2, 3 and 4 are eighth notes.

aczerepinski 10y ago

Both jazz and rock (and virtually all popular American styles... country, hip hop, etc) put the "boom" on 1 and the "clap" on 2. Regardless of whether that "clap" is a high-hat, snare, rim, etc, it's the beat you would clap your hands on. The two approaches you describe ("emphasis on 2 and 4" and "emphasis on 3") are actually the same thing. You're just counting twice as fast when you identify 3 as the back beat vs 2 & 4. To say that another way, any song that can be notated with the snare on 3 could also be notated with the snare on 2 & 4 by halving the tempo. I think most musicians would notate "And Then I Knew" such that the snare falls on 2 and 4, but that could probably go either way. I'd contrast this with classical music (classical as in Mozart), where the emphasis is on beats 1 and 3.

duderific 10y ago

Huh? In typical rock, the bass drum is on 1 and 3, and the snare drum is on 2 and 4. Think "boom...bap...boom...bap". 1 and 3 are the downbeats and 2 and 4 are the upbeats. Maybe you are thinking about counting eighth notes on the high hat -- in that case the bass drum would be on the first high hat hit, and the snare would be on the third. However the counting should always be on the quarter note, i.e., two high hat hits per count -- "One and two and three and four and."

daviddaviddavid 10y ago
No, I'm talking quarter notes in 4/4 time here. Bass drum on one, snare drum on 3 and timekeeping hand playing on all four quarter notes. In your "boom...bap...boom...bap", the ellipses are quarter-note rests. Listen to any simple rock tune, say, AC/DC's Back in Black. With BD == Bass Drum, SD == Snare Drum, HH == High Hat, what you get is: Note | 1 2 3 4 -----|----------------- HH | x x x x BD | x SD | x
- 6581 10y ago
  That's only half a measure. What you transcribed as 1, 2, 3 and 4 are eighth notes.