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> So when I read these articles I wonder if it's the same people and how they translate treating male workers like garbage into treating female workers like gar

> So when I read these articles I wonder if it's the same people and how they translate treating male workers like garbage into treating female workers like garbage. It's not misogyny; it's welcome to the workforce and dealing with people above you who are neither competent not deserving of their positions and their power trips and borderline psychopathy. I think what the issue is when it comes to the male boss/female employee dynamic is those power trips frequently take on a sexual dynamic in private. > What do you think? Or are there really nice bosses who are just complete assholes to women with zero crossover? I know one manager I used to work with who seemed nice but literally every single hire he has made has been an asian female. He also was the only one besides me with an office with essentially no windows. [i.e. You close the door, no one can see in.] However, I never close my door for that reason while he does so all the time. I think that was a lawsuit waiting to happen and I've said as much. However, my concerns were basically ignored since the one who confided in me that he does that sort of thing was terrified of losing her job since this was the third job she has had in 2 years [She is extremely attractive and had a similar problem at the previous jobs she got out of college]. She started carrying pepper spray instead.

stcredzero 10y ago
I think what the issue is when it comes to the male boss/female employee dynamic is those power trips frequently take on a sexual dynamic in private. Dominance is messily tied into sexuality. This plays out in school locker rooms and boarding school dormitories. I know one manager I used to work with who seemed nice but literally every single hire he has made has been an asian female. So what? In itself, this shouldn't be a significant factor. Please explain this: Do you think for some reason that asian females are somehow more enticing or vulnerable? Just how large a sample size are we talking here? Is his department a dozen asian women? Twenty?
- fweespee_ch 10y ago
  > So what? In itself, this shouldn't be a significant factor. 1) He is clearly hiring based on a fetish he has. 2) They were hired to replace male, white, african-american, or hispanic members of his department over a period of ~2 years. The area is almost entirely a white and/or hispanic population so there is no way this is coincidence. 3) The odds of a guy rolling the same 20 sided die 12 times and always coming up with the same number is highly improbable. Roughly 5% of the applicants were female and Asian. I somehow doubt the most competent were always in that 5%. 4) Its a baker's dozen (13).
  - stcredzero 10y ago
    1) He is clearly hiring based on a fetish he has. That's a pretty strong, even in terms of your analysis. Would you have thought he had a fetish if all of his hires were black men?
    - fweespee_ch 10y ago
      > That's a pretty strong, even in terms of your analysis. You do understand the probability of the strongest hire in 12 separate rolls of the die being female and asian is absurdly small right? We are talking thousandths of a percentage point here. The odds of that being a "natural" distribution is absurd. Similarly, I know from one of them that he has engaged in the sort of sexual harassment behavior I'd expect from a guy who hired on a fetish. > Would you have thought he had a fetish if all of his hires were black men? If one of them mentioned sexual harassment and he was living in an area where they were a single digit percentage of the population? Yes.
      - stcredzero 10y ago
        You do understand the probability of the strongest hire in 12 separate rolls of the die being female and asian is absurdly small right? We are talking thousandths of a percentage point here. The odds of that being a "natural" distribution is absurd. There are a bunch of places that hire out of whack to the natural distribution of the population. If one of them mentioned sexual harassment That's much stronger evidence in combination. But I think it's weird you led with the population distribution in your account, not the reported behavior.
        fweespee_ch 10y ago
        > That's much stronger evidence in combination. But I think it's weird you led with the population distribution in your account, not the reported behavior. I wasn't expecting someone to argue that it was reasonable to have a homogeneous population of hires on a gender/race axis. > There are a bunch of places that hire out of whack to the natural distribution of the population. I've never encountered one IRL that was homogeneous of a female minority hired by a white male. Can you provide examples of this happening on the scale you state?

stcredzero 10y ago

I think what the issue is when it comes to the male boss/female employee dynamic is those power trips frequently take on a sexual dynamic in private. Dominance is messily tied into sexuality. This plays out in school locker rooms and boarding school dormitories. I know one manager I used to work with who seemed nice but literally every single hire he has made has been an asian female. So what? In itself, this shouldn't be a significant factor. Please explain this: Do you think for some reason that asian females are somehow more enticing or vulnerable? Just how large a sample size are we talking here? Is his department a dozen asian women? Twenty?

fweespee_ch 10y ago
> So what? In itself, this shouldn't be a significant factor. 1) He is clearly hiring based on a fetish he has. 2) They were hired to replace male, white, african-american, or hispanic members of his department over a period of ~2 years. The area is almost entirely a white and/or hispanic population so there is no way this is coincidence. 3) The odds of a guy rolling the same 20 sided die 12 times and always coming up with the same number is highly improbable. Roughly 5% of the applicants were female and Asian. I somehow doubt the most competent were always in that 5%. 4) Its a baker's dozen (13).
- stcredzero 10y ago
  1) He is clearly hiring based on a fetish he has. That's a pretty strong, even in terms of your analysis. Would you have thought he had a fetish if all of his hires were black men?
  - fweespee_ch 10y ago
    > That's a pretty strong, even in terms of your analysis. You do understand the probability of the strongest hire in 12 separate rolls of the die being female and asian is absurdly small right? We are talking thousandths of a percentage point here. The odds of that being a "natural" distribution is absurd. Similarly, I know from one of them that he has engaged in the sort of sexual harassment behavior I'd expect from a guy who hired on a fetish. > Would you have thought he had a fetish if all of his hires were black men? If one of them mentioned sexual harassment and he was living in an area where they were a single digit percentage of the population? Yes.
    - stcredzero 10y ago
      You do understand the probability of the strongest hire in 12 separate rolls of the die being female and asian is absurdly small right? We are talking thousandths of a percentage point here. The odds of that being a "natural" distribution is absurd. There are a bunch of places that hire out of whack to the natural distribution of the population. If one of them mentioned sexual harassment That's much stronger evidence in combination. But I think it's weird you led with the population distribution in your account, not the reported behavior.
      - fweespee_ch 10y ago
        > That's much stronger evidence in combination. But I think it's weird you led with the population distribution in your account, not the reported behavior. I wasn't expecting someone to argue that it was reasonable to have a homogeneous population of hires on a gender/race axis. > There are a bunch of places that hire out of whack to the natural distribution of the population. I've never encountered one IRL that was homogeneous of a female minority hired by a white male. Can you provide examples of this happening on the scale you state?