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It's not as radical as the headline suggests. > There are moves within the country to ban all petrol and diesel vehicle sales by 2025.

by oever 11y ago

imartin2k 11y ago
You are right, I slightly changed the headline to avoid unnecessary confusion.
- simondelacourt 11y ago
  But it still is incorrect, the Dutch Labour Party is proposing the ban, they are not representative for the Dutch people. Which during the last elections was about 25% of the votes, now more like 10%. There is still a lot of resistance also within our government and political parties. With these proposals a lot of people are quite positive when they are proposed, but down the line they get voted down. The case against the Dutch government from Urgenda [1] shows how hard it is to get change going. [1] http://www.urgenda.nl/en/climate-case/ http://www.urgenda.nl/en/climate-case/
infogulch 11y ago
So people will just travel an extra 15 minutes to the next country to buy their dinosaur-powered vehicles instead. This won't do anything but push sales tax money out of the country unless they also do something like ban new vehicle registrations as well as sales.
- Ao7bei3s 11y ago
  Or unless the neighboring countries follow suit.
  - touristtam 11y ago
    Belgium maybe, but France and German have very strong industry relying on the production of petrol cars, so you'd expect them to offer strong resistance until they field more electric model than petrol ones. It is the same industry that victoriously lobbied against the liberalisation of the personal vehicle market.
- Maultasche 11y ago
  Currently, there's a vehicle registration tax in the Netherlands when you first purchase a vehicle. Smaller vehicles and electric vehicles have a much lower tax to encourage cars that pollute less and put less strain on the roads. When you go to another country to buy a vehicle, you still have to bring it back into the Netherlands and register it. So you'll just end up paying the tax anyways. I would expect that if the Netherlands does end up going through with this proposal, Dutch residents would be unable to register imported vehicles unless they were electric vehicles. Personally, I think just taxing fuel-burning vehicles with very high taxes would achieve a similar goal with less fuss. People would buy electric vehicles because they're cheaper rather than due to the cars just not being available. A small number of people who really want gasoline cars can still do so, but they're going to have to pay a lot for the privilege.

It's not as radical as the headline suggests. > There are moves within the country to ban all petrol and diesel vehicle sales by 2025.

by oever 11y ago

It's not as radical as the headline suggests. > There are moves within the country to ban all petrol and diesel vehicle sales by 2025.

imartin2k 11y ago

You are right, I slightly changed the headline to avoid unnecessary confusion.

simondelacourt 11y ago
But it still is incorrect, the Dutch Labour Party is proposing the ban, they are not representative for the Dutch people. Which during the last elections was about 25% of the votes, now more like 10%. There is still a lot of resistance also within our government and political parties. With these proposals a lot of people are quite positive when they are proposed, but down the line they get voted down. The case against the Dutch government from Urgenda [1] shows how hard it is to get change going. [1] http://www.urgenda.nl/en/climate-case/ http://www.urgenda.nl/en/climate-case/

infogulch 11y ago

So people will just travel an extra 15 minutes to the next country to buy their dinosaur-powered vehicles instead. This won't do anything but push sales tax money out of the country unless they also do something like ban new vehicle registrations as well as sales.

Ao7bei3s 11y ago
Or unless the neighboring countries follow suit.
- touristtam 11y ago
  Belgium maybe, but France and German have very strong industry relying on the production of petrol cars, so you'd expect them to offer strong resistance until they field more electric model than petrol ones. It is the same industry that victoriously lobbied against the liberalisation of the personal vehicle market.
Maultasche 11y ago
Currently, there's a vehicle registration tax in the Netherlands when you first purchase a vehicle. Smaller vehicles and electric vehicles have a much lower tax to encourage cars that pollute less and put less strain on the roads. When you go to another country to buy a vehicle, you still have to bring it back into the Netherlands and register it. So you'll just end up paying the tax anyways. I would expect that if the Netherlands does end up going through with this proposal, Dutch residents would be unable to register imported vehicles unless they were electric vehicles. Personally, I think just taxing fuel-burning vehicles with very high taxes would achieve a similar goal with less fuss. People would buy electric vehicles because they're cheaper rather than due to the cars just not being available. A small number of people who really want gasoline cars can still do so, but they're going to have to pay a lot for the privilege.