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> I think this is the crux of the issue. You are right--photography has been part of vacations since cameras were generally available. But what's different is t

by dilemma 11y ago

> I think this is the crux of the issue. You are right--photography has been part of vacations since cameras were generally available. But what's different is the real-time nature of sharing those images, and the real time acceptance (or rejection) of those images via likes and comments. If those are more important than the lived experience, then, I think we have a problem. Why?

dkopi 11y ago
I usually don't share pictures until I'm back from vacation. I spend a lot of time sorting and sifting through the photos, picking only the best to share. People have a very short attention span. If your vacation album has more than 50 photos, it doesn't matter how good the photos are, or how exciting the experience is.
- dilemma 11y ago
  So the answer to "Why?" is "because I say so".
- saiya-jin 11y ago
  same here. when going on vacation compared to weekend outing, we usually bring quite a few photos from various sources (recent trip to Borneo - my dslr, gopro for diving, fiancee's point-and-shoot used also heavily in underwater housing for diving, her cell phone which she carries everywhere compared to camera). All combined it was cca 2000 pieces, damn too much but when you are there seeing all the diffrent beauty all the time, it's hard to resist snapping more than bare minimum. the issue among others is, the most amazing places are sometimes off the grid, some photos require some proper processing (panoramas, night shots with milky way etc). which tends to take a lot of time and you need proper PC for it (lightroom, autopano, photoshop etc). it would be a poor use of precious vacation time to spend evenings editing photos, wouldn't it... on the other hand, however amazing it was (and it was, highly recommending before those idiots burn rest of rainforest and transform it into palm tree plantations) - I am not going to look in next months into photos once processed, however amazing they are (and some, especially diving and jungle ones are really :-O to me). we do various mountain stuff a lot and most weekends tend to bring additional set of pics. so it has to be process-quickly-and-move-on, otherwise it takes all my free time.
vertex-four 11y ago
As I understand it, we're slowly tying behaviour of this sort - essentially, being in a state of seeking constant approval from others - to increased risk of mental health issues as time goes on. It also makes it a hell of a lot more difficult to do anything that one's peers wouldn't approve of.
- alanwatts 11y ago
  "Freedom discovers you the moment you lose concern over what impression you are making or about to make" -Bruce Lee
bmj 11y ago
I guess it comes down to how you see the world. Personally, I'd rather be fully immersed in whatever I am experiencing in real life, and not weighed down by likes and comments on a social media platform. Edited to add: I recently came across this quote from Norman Wirzba, a theologian at Duke University: Media platforms and technological devices are not simply neutral tools that we use to move through life. Their power is much more extensive, because they shape and frame what we perceive and understand the wold to be. When people spend enough time in front of screens, it becomes all but inevitable that the whole world takes on the character of something to be watched. Given the technologies we now have for manipulating screens in whatever fashion we like to suit our own particular tastes, if we find the Mona Lisa boring, no problem. We can run the image through the Fatify app or add the graphics and colors we like to make it amusing or better than the original! Should we be surprised that people often find the world uninteresting and dull?
- rayiner 11y ago
  Reframe it this way. What's more important: the inert and inanimate surroundings of Angkor Wat, or sharing that experience with your friends and family? When I post a picture on FB or text it, I'm not "looking for social approval." I'm reaching out to friends who aren't there with me and saying "hey man, check this out!"
  - bmj 11y ago
    And I do the same thing. It's the "looking for social approval" that's the issue here.
  - rangibaby 11y ago
    I would say the former. There are so many things about "being there" that even the world's best photographer with the world's best camera equipment would have a hard time capturing. I'm a hobbyist photographer myself, but there are some times I just want to put my camera away and "take a memory".
    - gknoy 11y ago
kirykl 11y ago
The social problem might lie in the addictive nature of likes and approval, the pressure to get those degrading actual quality of the photos (live stream vs curating later) and degrading the experience for the vacationer; lose-lose while Instagram wins thru eyeballs.

by dilemma 11y ago

dkopi 11y ago

I usually don't share pictures until I'm back from vacation. I spend a lot of time sorting and sifting through the photos, picking only the best to share. People have a very short attention span. If your vacation album has more than 50 photos, it doesn't matter how good the photos are, or how exciting the experience is.

dilemma 11y ago
So the answer to "Why?" is "because I say so".
saiya-jin 11y ago
same here. when going on vacation compared to weekend outing, we usually bring quite a few photos from various sources (recent trip to Borneo - my dslr, gopro for diving, fiancee's point-and-shoot used also heavily in underwater housing for diving, her cell phone which she carries everywhere compared to camera). All combined it was cca 2000 pieces, damn too much but when you are there seeing all the diffrent beauty all the time, it's hard to resist snapping more than bare minimum. the issue among others is, the most amazing places are sometimes off the grid, some photos require some proper processing (panoramas, night shots with milky way etc). which tends to take a lot of time and you need proper PC for it (lightroom, autopano, photoshop etc). it would be a poor use of precious vacation time to spend evenings editing photos, wouldn't it... on the other hand, however amazing it was (and it was, highly recommending before those idiots burn rest of rainforest and transform it into palm tree plantations) - I am not going to look in next months into photos once processed, however amazing they are (and some, especially diving and jungle ones are really :-O to me). we do various mountain stuff a lot and most weekends tend to bring additional set of pics. so it has to be process-quickly-and-move-on, otherwise it takes all my free time.

vertex-four 11y ago

As I understand it, we're slowly tying behaviour of this sort - essentially, being in a state of seeking constant approval from others - to increased risk of mental health issues as time goes on. It also makes it a hell of a lot more difficult to do anything that one's peers wouldn't approve of.

alanwatts 11y ago
"Freedom discovers you the moment you lose concern over what impression you are making or about to make" -Bruce Lee

bmj 11y ago

I guess it comes down to how you see the world. Personally, I'd rather be fully immersed in whatever I am experiencing in real life, and not weighed down by likes and comments on a social media platform. Edited to add: I recently came across this quote from Norman Wirzba, a theologian at Duke University: Media platforms and technological devices are not simply neutral tools that we use to move through life. Their power is much more extensive, because they shape and frame what we perceive and understand the wold to be. When people spend enough time in front of screens, it becomes all but inevitable that the whole world takes on the character of something to be watched. Given the technologies we now have for manipulating screens in whatever fashion we like to suit our own particular tastes, if we find the Mona Lisa boring, no problem. We can run the image through the Fatify app or add the graphics and colors we like to make it amusing or better than the original! Should we be surprised that people often find the world uninteresting and dull?

rayiner 11y ago
Reframe it this way. What's more important: the inert and inanimate surroundings of Angkor Wat, or sharing that experience with your friends and family? When I post a picture on FB or text it, I'm not "looking for social approval." I'm reaching out to friends who aren't there with me and saying "hey man, check this out!"
- bmj 11y ago
  And I do the same thing. It's the "looking for social approval" that's the issue here.
- rangibaby 11y ago
  I would say the former. There are so many things about "being there" that even the world's best photographer with the world's best camera equipment would have a hard time capturing. I'm a hobbyist photographer myself, but there are some times I just want to put my camera away and "take a memory".
  - gknoy 11y ago

kirykl 11y ago

The social problem might lie in the addictive nature of likes and approval, the pressure to get those degrading actual quality of the photos (live stream vs curating later) and degrading the experience for the vacationer; lose-lose while Instagram wins thru eyeballs.