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"Holding Europe back," as you put it allows millions of people to have some job security and not be treated by their employers like trash as they would be in th

by joesmo 11y ago

"Holding Europe back," as you put it allows millions of people to have some job security and not be treated by their employers like trash as they would be in the US or Russia. I'd say that's worth way more than anything silicon valley has ever put out, let alone a bunch of companies that are unlikely to be around in five to ten years that have contributed virtually nothing to society.

yummyfajitas 11y ago
As a result Europe contributes very little innovation to the world and just piggybacks off what everyone else built. That's fine - USA and China will move things forward, and India is joining the party. But if everyone did this we wouldn't have all those things that make the modern world great. (I do wish Europe could at least stop being counterproductive, and just not surrender to terrorists. http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/25/french-anti-uber-protest-turns-to-guerrilla-warfare-as-cabbies-burn-cars-attack-uber-drivers/ http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/25/french-anti-uber-protest-tu... http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/29/uber-france-leaders-arrested-for-running-illegal-taxi-company/ http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/29/uber-france-leaders-arreste... )
- eli_gottlieb 11y ago
  So Europe contributes every little innovation to the world... based on which numbers about European tech companies or start-ups? I mean, if you want some conflicting anecdata from a marketing department, here it is: http://www.eu-startups.com/ http://www.eu-startups.com/.
  - yummyfajitas 11y ago
    The top story on the page is about an AirBnb clone raising money from NY rich people. You've pretty much answered the question - "if everyone did this", we probably wouldn't even have that German company at the top of the eu-startups.com marketing page.
- cmarschner 11y ago
  If you take patent rates Europe (or at least some of its member countries) are pretty competitive. However innovation happens a) in old companies, b) in SMEs which are not venture-backed, hence don't have the same leverage.

by joesmo 11y ago

yummyfajitas 11y ago

As a result Europe contributes very little innovation to the world and just piggybacks off what everyone else built. That's fine - USA and China will move things forward, and India is joining the party. But if everyone did this we wouldn't have all those things that make the modern world great. (I do wish Europe could at least stop being counterproductive, and just not surrender to terrorists. http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/25/french-anti-uber-protest-turns-to-guerrilla-warfare-as-cabbies-burn-cars-attack-uber-drivers/ http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/25/french-anti-uber-protest-tu... http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/29/uber-france-leaders-arrested-for-running-illegal-taxi-company/ http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/29/uber-france-leaders-arreste... )

eli_gottlieb 11y ago
So Europe contributes every little innovation to the world... based on which numbers about European tech companies or start-ups? I mean, if you want some conflicting anecdata from a marketing department, here it is: http://www.eu-startups.com/ http://www.eu-startups.com/.
- yummyfajitas 11y ago
  The top story on the page is about an AirBnb clone raising money from NY rich people. You've pretty much answered the question - "if everyone did this", we probably wouldn't even have that German company at the top of the eu-startups.com marketing page.
cmarschner 11y ago
If you take patent rates Europe (or at least some of its member countries) are pretty competitive. However innovation happens a) in old companies, b) in SMEs which are not venture-backed, hence don't have the same leverage.