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>> Note: I don't actually believe a 30MB static binary is a problem in this day and age > Depends what that 30MB does, or how much of it is actually needed [..

by dozzie 11y ago

>> Note: I don't actually believe a 30MB static binary is a problem in this day and age > Depends what that 30MB does, or how much of it is actually needed [....] Moreover, let's consider a CLI tool suite. Dozen little tools, each doing perfectly what it was designed to (think of coreutils, util-linux, sysstat, binutils, or iproute2). Such a suite suddenly weighs 300MB, more than X.Org or PostgreSQL (or the two combined). Does it really do more than any of these two to justify the size? I doubt it.

userbinator 11y ago
The availability of huge disks has probably skewed the perception of sizes to some extent. 300MB is more than sufficient for an entire operating system, including a GUI and several dozen CLI tools. A full install of Windows 98 was 175MB. On the other hand, internet speeds have not increased quite as dramatically, so we can still relate with stories of "this app is how big? And it only does what?"
- skykooler 11y ago
  Indeed. Just the other day I was trying (with no luck) to find a simple drawing app for Android (something like Paint on windows) that was less than 18 MB. Seriously, that sort of app should not need huge executables like that.
  - voltagex_ 11y ago
    I'd bet that they're shipping all kinds of graphics libraries, and probably some support for older Android versions. What drawing app was 18MB?
    - hvm 11y ago
      Or 15MB out of those 18MB are the 100 ad libraries bundled in that serve weird/dubious ads at best.
  - vetinari 11y ago
    You mean something like Markers? (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dsandler.apps.markers https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dsandler.a...) 301 kB.
- agumonkey 11y ago
  Said this here a few times already but since you mention it: last month I booted a win98 box. The bliss of small binaries. Everything was snappy even on a Pentium 3. Bonus point: enjoying the Turbo Pascal suite (IDE, Compiler) for a total of 800KB. I want to backport crypto, binary hardening some lisp over win98 and live in MB land (pun not intended).
pmahoney 11y ago
The amd64 Linux version of Terraform [1] unzipped uses 739 Megabytes on disk (`du -hc`). It is a collection of CLI tools, or one CLI tool that wraps many provider-specific tools (providers such as aws, azure, etc.). I noticed this recently when trying to upload a container image that happened to include Terraform. [1] https://releases.hashicorp.com/terraform/0.6.14/ https://releases.hashicorp.com/terraform/0.6.14/
lmm 11y ago
Eh, 300mb, who cares? There's plenty of disk space and usually plenty of bandwidth. If it's becoming a problem for you then sure, do something about it, but I don't think 300mb is a priori a problem.

by dozzie 11y ago

userbinator 11y ago

The availability of huge disks has probably skewed the perception of sizes to some extent. 300MB is more than sufficient for an entire operating system, including a GUI and several dozen CLI tools. A full install of Windows 98 was 175MB. On the other hand, internet speeds have not increased quite as dramatically, so we can still relate with stories of "this app is how big? And it only does what?"

skykooler 11y ago
Indeed. Just the other day I was trying (with no luck) to find a simple drawing app for Android (something like Paint on windows) that was less than 18 MB. Seriously, that sort of app should not need huge executables like that.
- voltagex_ 11y ago
  I'd bet that they're shipping all kinds of graphics libraries, and probably some support for older Android versions. What drawing app was 18MB?
  - hvm 11y ago
    Or 15MB out of those 18MB are the 100 ad libraries bundled in that serve weird/dubious ads at best.
- vetinari 11y ago
  You mean something like Markers? (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dsandler.apps.markers https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dsandler.a...) 301 kB.
agumonkey 11y ago
Said this here a few times already but since you mention it: last month I booted a win98 box. The bliss of small binaries. Everything was snappy even on a Pentium 3. Bonus point: enjoying the Turbo Pascal suite (IDE, Compiler) for a total of 800KB. I want to backport crypto, binary hardening some lisp over win98 and live in MB land (pun not intended).

pmahoney 11y ago

The amd64 Linux version of Terraform [1] unzipped uses 739 Megabytes on disk (`du -hc`). It is a collection of CLI tools, or one CLI tool that wraps many provider-specific tools (providers such as aws, azure, etc.). I noticed this recently when trying to upload a container image that happened to include Terraform. [1] https://releases.hashicorp.com/terraform/0.6.14/ https://releases.hashicorp.com/terraform/0.6.14/

lmm 11y ago

Eh, 300mb, who cares? There's plenty of disk space and usually plenty of bandwidth. If it's becoming a problem for you then sure, do something about it, but I don't think 300mb is a priori a problem.