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Literally one of the greatest things about the Opera browser was that you could browse an entire forum or whatever (longform article etc) with the Space key, be

by kmfrk 11y ago

Literally one of the greatest things about the Opera browser was that you could browse an entire forum or whatever (longform article etc) with the Space key, because the browser would automatically go to the `next` page on hitting the bottom of the page. They also did some cool stuff with swiping to the next page on mobile. Opera seemed like the only browser vendor that truly championed next/prev. I only do it now as a habit because of Opera - and, since switching to Chrome after Opera's nadir, for accessibility, regardless of whether screenreaders respect it. But I probably wouldn't know about it if not for Opera. It's both wistful and aspirational to use them, because this is the way browsers were supposed to work - as was generally the case with most things Opera, of course.

landr0id 11y ago
I saw recently that Safari's reader view actually pieces together paginated articles into one long view. I haven't had a chance to try it myself though.
- Jerry2 11y ago
  Safari's Reader view is one of the primary reasons why Safari's my default browser. I still use Chrome for development but 99% of browsing & reading, I do in Safari. Low power usage and the speed of Reader view is just unbeatable. It works so well and concatenates most of the paginated articles as well. If you couple it with Page One extension (it has a bunch of rules that automatically re-directs you to a single-page view of articles), 99% of the sites will be a single page in Reader view.
  - knight17 11y ago
    Clearly extension on Firefox also grabs the text from 'next' page(s) content into the readable view. The built-in reader in Firefox can not do that. It is a very useful feature to have. edit: While looking for the addon at addons.mozilla, I find that it has been discontinued by Evernote: 'This add-on has been removed by its author.' https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/clearly/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/clearly/ Anyone know of another addon that works similarly?
  - craigc 11y ago
    Safari's reader view is actually a modified version of readability. At one point I believe Apple even mentioned this in some about screen or article. There are extensions/bookmarklets available for other browsers at https://www.readability.com https://www.readability.com. Personally, I've been reading long form and paginated content using the readability Send to Kindle bookmarklet which works great.
    - Jerry2 11y ago
      Readability's slow. It sends request to their server. I've tried every extension and addon for Chrome and Safari... and nothing beats Safari's Reader view when it comes to speed and quality of text extraction. When you hit that Command+Shift+R, it is rendered in a fraction of a second.
maaaats 11y ago
Yeah, this article reminded me about that feature. Used to use it all the time. Fewer webpages where this would be useful now for me. Most either have infinite scroll, or forums/comments are in a complex tree-structure instead of pages.
- kmfrk 11y ago
  Many forums haven't gone anywhere. By forums I mean what some refer to as bulletin boards. Neither are blogs. Granted, Medium is making a complete mess of the semantic web, but all the more reason for them to support a semantic standard that might guide hapless readers such as myself to find their way. For the most part, the "change" that "obviates" the standard are developers writing shitty code with all kinds of JavaScript nonsense that wreak havoc on accessibility, load, and UX. It's a little like saying right-clicking and using the back button in the browser aren't needed anymore, because dumb new frameworks are breaking them. :) Dear lord, I just remembered Twitter's hashbang urls. To this day, they still break my Pinboard bookmarks.
nxzero 11y ago
Good point about making the interface and content more accessible.
ThrustVectoring 11y ago
The feature is available in some browser extensions as well. Vimium, for instance, has that available with ]]
- kentt 11y ago
  Thank you. I use Vimium but never knew about that. I forgot how much I missed that feature on Opera.
- kmfrk 11y ago
  This one also works admirably on Chrome by my brief impression: https://github.com/kenaniah/chrome-navigation-plugin https://github.com/kenaniah/chrome-navigation-plugin.
- kbenson 11y ago
  The demo video for Vimium at the chrome store has a fairly funny bit where he goes to HN. His reaction, "ahh, sweet." truly embodies the addiction that is HN.
toupeira 11y ago
Which is why I love the Space Next addon for Firefox (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/space-next/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/space-next/)
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- awqrre 11y ago
  This addon doesn't work properly for me (at least not on the first 2 sites that I tried it on).
neuromute 11y ago
It's a shame that Opera didn't choose to open source their code long ago. I can't help but think that would've changed their course drastically, and for the better. Having another Chrome clone seems like a sad way to go.
anonymfus 11y ago
At least in Microsoft Edge "Next" button on the toolbar sends you to the "next" page.
gorm 11y ago
I actually posted this link because I found pagination by relnext underused while implementing fast forward (with space support) in the Vivaldi browser. If it's not present we start, like opera did, analyzing links, which is a little messy.

by kmfrk 11y ago

landr0id 11y ago

I saw recently that Safari's reader view actually pieces together paginated articles into one long view. I haven't had a chance to try it myself though.

Jerry2 11y ago
Safari's Reader view is one of the primary reasons why Safari's my default browser. I still use Chrome for development but 99% of browsing & reading, I do in Safari. Low power usage and the speed of Reader view is just unbeatable. It works so well and concatenates most of the paginated articles as well. If you couple it with Page One extension (it has a bunch of rules that automatically re-directs you to a single-page view of articles), 99% of the sites will be a single page in Reader view.
- knight17 11y ago
  Clearly extension on Firefox also grabs the text from 'next' page(s) content into the readable view. The built-in reader in Firefox can not do that. It is a very useful feature to have. edit: While looking for the addon at addons.mozilla, I find that it has been discontinued by Evernote: 'This add-on has been removed by its author.' https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/clearly/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/clearly/ Anyone know of another addon that works similarly?
- craigc 11y ago
  Safari's reader view is actually a modified version of readability. At one point I believe Apple even mentioned this in some about screen or article. There are extensions/bookmarklets available for other browsers at https://www.readability.com https://www.readability.com. Personally, I've been reading long form and paginated content using the readability Send to Kindle bookmarklet which works great.
  - Jerry2 11y ago
    Readability's slow. It sends request to their server. I've tried every extension and addon for Chrome and Safari... and nothing beats Safari's Reader view when it comes to speed and quality of text extraction. When you hit that Command+Shift+R, it is rendered in a fraction of a second.

maaaats 11y ago

Yeah, this article reminded me about that feature. Used to use it all the time. Fewer webpages where this would be useful now for me. Most either have infinite scroll, or forums/comments are in a complex tree-structure instead of pages.

kmfrk 11y ago
Many forums haven't gone anywhere. By forums I mean what some refer to as bulletin boards. Neither are blogs. Granted, Medium is making a complete mess of the semantic web, but all the more reason for them to support a semantic standard that might guide hapless readers such as myself to find their way. For the most part, the "change" that "obviates" the standard are developers writing shitty code with all kinds of JavaScript nonsense that wreak havoc on accessibility, load, and UX. It's a little like saying right-clicking and using the back button in the browser aren't needed anymore, because dumb new frameworks are breaking them. :) Dear lord, I just remembered Twitter's hashbang urls. To this day, they still break my Pinboard bookmarks.

nxzero 11y ago

Good point about making the interface and content more accessible.

ThrustVectoring 11y ago

The feature is available in some browser extensions as well. Vimium, for instance, has that available with ]]

kentt 11y ago
Thank you. I use Vimium but never knew about that. I forgot how much I missed that feature on Opera.
kmfrk 11y ago
This one also works admirably on Chrome by my brief impression: https://github.com/kenaniah/chrome-navigation-plugin https://github.com/kenaniah/chrome-navigation-plugin.
kbenson 11y ago
The demo video for Vimium at the chrome store has a fairly funny bit where he goes to HN. His reaction, "ahh, sweet." truly embodies the addiction that is HN.

toupeira 11y ago

Which is why I love the Space Next addon for Firefox (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/space-next/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/space-next/)

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awqrre 11y ago
This addon doesn't work properly for me (at least not on the first 2 sites that I tried it on).

neuromute 11y ago

It's a shame that Opera didn't choose to open source their code long ago. I can't help but think that would've changed their course drastically, and for the better. Having another Chrome clone seems like a sad way to go.

anonymfus 11y ago

At least in Microsoft Edge "Next" button on the toolbar sends you to the "next" page.

gorm 11y ago

I actually posted this link because I found pagination by relnext underused while implementing fast forward (with space support) in the Vivaldi browser. If it's not present we start, like opera did, analyzing links, which is a little messy.