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Yes, I'm aware of that search result, and for the matter the concept; sometimes being direct is less useful than being indirect. Expecting all animals to be wi

by nxzero 11y ago

Yes, I'm aware of that search result, and for the matter the concept; sometimes being direct is less useful than being indirect. Expecting all animals to be wise in my opinion is unreasonable, I would hope that some animals are able to be reasonable. Cyanobacteria is the only animal I am aware of (beyond homosapiens) that has been responsible for a significant extincion event on Earth.

eveningcoffee 11y ago
Cyanobacteria was just lucky. Give the deer a change and it would put everything out of this planet including themselves. Luckily for us, this stupid animal can only flourish under very limited conditions. This is an excellent example: "the residents of Long Island on Lake Winnipesaukee wanted to eliminate hunting deer so they could enjoy these beautiful animals. A few years later, the deer had eaten all the wild shrubs and trees, and began invading the homeowners' property on the island to sample the flowers and shrubs of the residents.". [0]* [0] http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20140407/SPORTS/404070324 http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20140407/SPORTS/404070... * remind you, I am not advocating of killing off all the deer because how else will the big predators get enough of food and how else we can get all the tasty deer meat sausages.
- nxzero 11y ago
  Very possible you'd learn something by reading this: http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/act-c-sh-mythreality.html http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/act-c-sh-mythreality.h...
  - eveningcoffee 11y ago
    While the link I posted was clearly a propaganda of one side, it consisted at least few facts. This one seems to contain only opinions. I agree with one of them, killing other species should not be regarded as sport. Edit: For more balanced opinion: http://www.koryoswrites.com/nonfiction/white-tailed-deer-overpopulation-in-the-united-states/ http://www.koryoswrites.com/nonfiction/white-tailed-deer-ove... Edit2: The site listed above is actually full of fascinating animal behaviour.
    - nxzero 11y ago
      Facts in that story are factually wrong: http://www.deerfriendly.com/decline-of-deer-populations http://www.deerfriendly.com/decline-of-deer-populations
      - eveningcoffee 11y ago
        I think that people from Deer Friendly intentionally manipulate with the data visualization. They smooth the graph elsewhere and only show the population plummeting when it satisfies their agenda. For example the graph here about NY looks more honest [0]. Also I am not fully convinced about their argument related to the sampling methods. [0] seems to be again more honest in this case. Also they do not mention increasing numbers of feral hogs that hunt the deer fawn as a predatory balancing factor to the possible cause of deer number decline. This still does not mean that deer do not cause damage to the other species and biodiversity and that they do not increase their numbers over the resource exhaustion which were the the main claims of [1]. Anyway, the deer example was a counter example to the claim that "all species self-regulate". Even more generally, in their niche they are a fine example of "trying to exploit in an entire ecosystem for the benefit of a single species". They do not live in harmony with diverse range of other species in their habitat. [0] http://hvfarmscape.org/mammals http://hvfarmscape.org/mammals [1] http://www.koryoswrites.com/nonfiction/white-tailed-deer-overpopulation-in-the-united-states/ http://www.koryoswrites.com/nonfiction/white-tailed-deer-ove...

by nxzero 11y ago

eveningcoffee 11y ago

Cyanobacteria was just lucky. Give the deer a change and it would put everything out of this planet including themselves. Luckily for us, this stupid animal can only flourish under very limited conditions. This is an excellent example: "the residents of Long Island on Lake Winnipesaukee wanted to eliminate hunting deer so they could enjoy these beautiful animals. A few years later, the deer had eaten all the wild shrubs and trees, and began invading the homeowners' property on the island to sample the flowers and shrubs of the residents.". [0]* [0] http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20140407/SPORTS/404070324 http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20140407/SPORTS/404070... * remind you, I am not advocating of killing off all the deer because how else will the big predators get enough of food and how else we can get all the tasty deer meat sausages.

nxzero 11y ago
Very possible you'd learn something by reading this: http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/act-c-sh-mythreality.html http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/act-c-sh-mythreality.h...
- eveningcoffee 11y ago
  While the link I posted was clearly a propaganda of one side, it consisted at least few facts. This one seems to contain only opinions. I agree with one of them, killing other species should not be regarded as sport. Edit: For more balanced opinion: http://www.koryoswrites.com/nonfiction/white-tailed-deer-overpopulation-in-the-united-states/ http://www.koryoswrites.com/nonfiction/white-tailed-deer-ove... Edit2: The site listed above is actually full of fascinating animal behaviour.
  - nxzero 11y ago
    Facts in that story are factually wrong: http://www.deerfriendly.com/decline-of-deer-populations http://www.deerfriendly.com/decline-of-deer-populations
    - eveningcoffee 11y ago
      I think that people from Deer Friendly intentionally manipulate with the data visualization. They smooth the graph elsewhere and only show the population plummeting when it satisfies their agenda. For example the graph here about NY looks more honest [0]. Also I am not fully convinced about their argument related to the sampling methods. [0] seems to be again more honest in this case. Also they do not mention increasing numbers of feral hogs that hunt the deer fawn as a predatory balancing factor to the possible cause of deer number decline. This still does not mean that deer do not cause damage to the other species and biodiversity and that they do not increase their numbers over the resource exhaustion which were the the main claims of [1]. Anyway, the deer example was a counter example to the claim that "all species self-regulate". Even more generally, in their niche they are a fine example of "trying to exploit in an entire ecosystem for the benefit of a single species". They do not live in harmony with diverse range of other species in their habitat. [0] http://hvfarmscape.org/mammals http://hvfarmscape.org/mammals [1] http://www.koryoswrites.com/nonfiction/white-tailed-deer-overpopulation-in-the-united-states/ http://www.koryoswrites.com/nonfiction/white-tailed-deer-ove...