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HN is frustrating. I've had two blog posts hit #1 in r/programming recently. Neither got more than 2 points on HN. I could be wrong but I think HN is more rand

HN is frustrating. I've had two blog posts hit #1 in r/programming recently. Neither got more than 2 points on HN. I could be wrong but I think HN is more random than Reddit. Reddit has lots of randomness of course. But my gut says that escaping New on HN is harder and less predictable.

sillysaurus3 11y ago
So submit them again, if they're interesting. That's both allowed and encouraged here. Use your judgement though. It's a privilege to be able to do this. Three times over the course of a few days is probably fine. Four is probably too many.
- forrestthewoods 11y ago
  Is it? I thought re-submission is frowned upon. I've also gotten "slow down, you're submitting too fast" when multiple days have passed. That might have been because I'd had a few comments get a bunch of downvotes? I comment a lot but almost never submit stories.
  - sillysaurus3 11y ago
    If the HN front page consisted of your content alone, I would be very happy. https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=forrestthewoods https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=forrestthewoods https://blog.forrestthewoods.com/reverse-engineering-sublime-text-s-fuzzy-match-4cffeed33fdb#.ovs3w0fqv https://blog.forrestthewoods.com/reverse-engineering-sublime... https://gamedevdaily.io/four-ways-to-create-a-mesh-for-a-sphere-d7956b825db4?gi=7b9c7b2c0996#.5lzblag34 https://gamedevdaily.io/four-ways-to-create-a-mesh-for-a-sph... https://gamedevdaily.io/advanced-behavior-tree-structures-4b9dc0516f92#.95kzyvwwh https://gamedevdaily.io/advanced-behavior-tree-structures-4b... Speaking purely for myself, I hope to see them resubmitted. The post about reverse engineering Sublime's fuzzy matching algorithm is an overlooked gem, I think.
    - mintplant 11y ago
      I liked that one, too. Resubmitted it here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11515800 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11515800
      - sillysaurus3 11y ago
        Submissions need to be a bit more organic. :) I like that it disappeared from the front page, or never showed up, because it means HN's voting ring detector is working very well. Kind of amusing. I'm sure it'll pop up sometime, though.
        forrestthewoods 11y ago
        And here I thought some of my content would see the front page. How disappointing. :(
        sillysaurus3 11y ago
        Nah, feel happy. People are agreeing that your content is good. That one got pulled because the automatic vote detector detected that a bunch of seemingly-artificial votes (ours) were being sent to it. As such, it certainly doesn't count as a resubmission. So really, nothing has changed. Either way, thanks for contributing. I'm a gamedev too, so clicking on your submissions list instantly made me feel nostalgic. Tom Forsyth is a name I hadn't seen in awhile.
        sdegutis 11y ago
        My solution has been: (1) stop posting stuff anywhere (2) stop going on the internet except for doing my job It's raised my productivity and contentment a lot. (Well, sometimes I break rule #1 to make comments like this. But that's about it.) Only thing left to solve is http://i.imgur.com/95NZpPy.png http://i.imgur.com/95NZpPy.png and then I'll really be living the life.
    - ant6n 11y ago
      Can you make an rss feed that shows the content, or at least more of it, in the actual rss, rather than just linking back to medium?
  - jsmthrowaway 11y ago
    The "slow down, you're submitting too fast" thing is arbitrary and per-account. My account is specifically penalized, for example, and I have a far lower comment limit than pretty much everyone else. This was added without notification to me or appeal opportunity despite my e-mail being in my profile, and also means my comments are "demoted" below often punishingly-downvoted comments. So you'll see comments, then barely legible gray comments, then mine. I also cannot respond to deep threads because I burn my budget getting there, and then have to wait a couple days to continue a discussion. And that's just how my account is, now, even after conversing with them about it; Dan could not recall the specifics of why I was penalized but was resistant to removing it based upon a determination of my quality of character. From comments. On a forum. My best guess is that there's a box on an account with an automatic and manual score adjustment, mine contains -100 or something, downvotes (real or synthetic) affect that timer that you see, but only 'real' downvotes trigger the somehow-still-exists-in-2016 'turn a comment gray' logic. I'm not saying any of this to gripe, just that I doubt I'm the only one, I doubt that threshold is fully manual, and I doubt that the one for submitting links and the one for commenting are wildly divergent. A few days seems long, which is why I mention it. So perhaps you submitted something a million years ago that was quietly looked down upon and your account carries consequences; it wouldn't be the first time, since it was apparently one comment a million years ago that earned me my own status. And it matters so little nobody remembers. Might be worth asking since they were more than willing to tell me once I asked, but it turned into a surreal "can we trust you to be a good boy if we remove it?" back-and-forth and I lost interest in attempting to satisfy Internet forum moderators with tales of personal development and growth. Good luck, if you do.
  - detaro 11y ago
    from the FAQ (linked in the footer): Are reposts ok? If a story has had significant attention in the last year or so, we kill reposts as duplicates. If not, a small number of reposts is ok. [...] At times, each page of /new is only a very short amount of time, so it's easy for stuff to fly through and get lost. Especially if nobody is looking at /new and voting. (seriously, everybody. You want to see more technical content? Vote for it as early as possible) Stuff that's on mainstream sites is submitted by tons of people, even if it is already on spot 1 on the front page, individual blogs don't get that many chances sadly, and drowned out. (I feel weird reposting something the author submitted him-/herself the day before, but maybe we should do that more)
henrik_w 11y ago
My experience is that it is much easier to get on the front page of reddit (specifically reddit/r/programming, aka Proggit). As I am writing this, my submission from earlier today there is at number 2 [1] - the same submission to HN got 4 points (which is actually good, but not enough to get to the front page). One reason I think is that the turnover at HN is much higher. [1] https://henrikwarne.com/2016/04/17/more-good-programming-quotes/ https://henrikwarne.com/2016/04/17/more-good-programming-quo...
lisivka 11y ago
Why we need exact copy of reddit here? One reddit is not enough?
- forrestthewoods 11y ago
  We don't. But because the types on content are so similar we can compare results to look for systemic faults.
  - lisivka 11y ago
    Faults?
    - forrestthewoods 11y ago
      I suspect that HN is significantly less deterministic than other sites as to what content escapes New. I believe that a good content aggregator (HN, Reddit, Digg, etc) should be able to promote a given piece of quality content with a high degree of reliability. Some sites are better at this then others. My impression is that HN is less good. I would consider that a fault. Obviously I don't have any hard evidence to anything I just said. Which is why I used words such as suspect, believe, and impression. There is always going to be some variability. All content kneels before RNGesus. But some really good content never gets past two upvotes. Two! That could be a lot better. In my opinion.
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loup-vaillant 11y ago
HN is bigger than /r/programming. The subject matter is broader, and there are more submissions. Getting to the front page here is harder. Second, new posts aren't even ranked before they get some upvotes, so they only appear on the "new" page. Not everyone looks at "new". The crowd that promote new stuff to the front page is not the same crowd that upvote stuff that's already on the front page. Some apparent randomness could come from this difference.

sillysaurus3 11y ago

So submit them again, if they're interesting. That's both allowed and encouraged here. Use your judgement though. It's a privilege to be able to do this. Three times over the course of a few days is probably fine. Four is probably too many.

forrestthewoods 11y ago
Is it? I thought re-submission is frowned upon. I've also gotten "slow down, you're submitting too fast" when multiple days have passed. That might have been because I'd had a few comments get a bunch of downvotes? I comment a lot but almost never submit stories.
- sillysaurus3 11y ago
  If the HN front page consisted of your content alone, I would be very happy. https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=forrestthewoods https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=forrestthewoods https://blog.forrestthewoods.com/reverse-engineering-sublime-text-s-fuzzy-match-4cffeed33fdb#.ovs3w0fqv https://blog.forrestthewoods.com/reverse-engineering-sublime... https://gamedevdaily.io/four-ways-to-create-a-mesh-for-a-sphere-d7956b825db4?gi=7b9c7b2c0996#.5lzblag34 https://gamedevdaily.io/four-ways-to-create-a-mesh-for-a-sph... https://gamedevdaily.io/advanced-behavior-tree-structures-4b9dc0516f92#.95kzyvwwh https://gamedevdaily.io/advanced-behavior-tree-structures-4b... Speaking purely for myself, I hope to see them resubmitted. The post about reverse engineering Sublime's fuzzy matching algorithm is an overlooked gem, I think.
  - mintplant 11y ago
    I liked that one, too. Resubmitted it here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11515800 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11515800
    - sillysaurus3 11y ago
      Submissions need to be a bit more organic. :) I like that it disappeared from the front page, or never showed up, because it means HN's voting ring detector is working very well. Kind of amusing. I'm sure it'll pop up sometime, though.
      - forrestthewoods 11y ago
        And here I thought some of my content would see the front page. How disappointing. :(
        sillysaurus3 11y ago
        Nah, feel happy. People are agreeing that your content is good. That one got pulled because the automatic vote detector detected that a bunch of seemingly-artificial votes (ours) were being sent to it. As such, it certainly doesn't count as a resubmission. So really, nothing has changed. Either way, thanks for contributing. I'm a gamedev too, so clicking on your submissions list instantly made me feel nostalgic. Tom Forsyth is a name I hadn't seen in awhile.
        sdegutis 11y ago
        My solution has been: (1) stop posting stuff anywhere (2) stop going on the internet except for doing my job It's raised my productivity and contentment a lot. (Well, sometimes I break rule #1 to make comments like this. But that's about it.) Only thing left to solve is http://i.imgur.com/95NZpPy.png http://i.imgur.com/95NZpPy.png and then I'll really be living the life.
  - ant6n 11y ago
    Can you make an rss feed that shows the content, or at least more of it, in the actual rss, rather than just linking back to medium?
- jsmthrowaway 11y ago
  The "slow down, you're submitting too fast" thing is arbitrary and per-account. My account is specifically penalized, for example, and I have a far lower comment limit than pretty much everyone else. This was added without notification to me or appeal opportunity despite my e-mail being in my profile, and also means my comments are "demoted" below often punishingly-downvoted comments. So you'll see comments, then barely legible gray comments, then mine. I also cannot respond to deep threads because I burn my budget getting there, and then have to wait a couple days to continue a discussion. And that's just how my account is, now, even after conversing with them about it; Dan could not recall the specifics of why I was penalized but was resistant to removing it based upon a determination of my quality of character. From comments. On a forum. My best guess is that there's a box on an account with an automatic and manual score adjustment, mine contains -100 or something, downvotes (real or synthetic) affect that timer that you see, but only 'real' downvotes trigger the somehow-still-exists-in-2016 'turn a comment gray' logic. I'm not saying any of this to gripe, just that I doubt I'm the only one, I doubt that threshold is fully manual, and I doubt that the one for submitting links and the one for commenting are wildly divergent. A few days seems long, which is why I mention it. So perhaps you submitted something a million years ago that was quietly looked down upon and your account carries consequences; it wouldn't be the first time, since it was apparently one comment a million years ago that earned me my own status. And it matters so little nobody remembers. Might be worth asking since they were more than willing to tell me once I asked, but it turned into a surreal "can we trust you to be a good boy if we remove it?" back-and-forth and I lost interest in attempting to satisfy Internet forum moderators with tales of personal development and growth. Good luck, if you do.
- detaro 11y ago
  from the FAQ (linked in the footer): Are reposts ok? If a story has had significant attention in the last year or so, we kill reposts as duplicates. If not, a small number of reposts is ok. [...] At times, each page of /new is only a very short amount of time, so it's easy for stuff to fly through and get lost. Especially if nobody is looking at /new and voting. (seriously, everybody. You want to see more technical content? Vote for it as early as possible) Stuff that's on mainstream sites is submitted by tons of people, even if it is already on spot 1 on the front page, individual blogs don't get that many chances sadly, and drowned out. (I feel weird reposting something the author submitted him-/herself the day before, but maybe we should do that more)

henrik_w 11y ago

My experience is that it is much easier to get on the front page of reddit (specifically reddit/r/programming, aka Proggit). As I am writing this, my submission from earlier today there is at number 2 [1] - the same submission to HN got 4 points (which is actually good, but not enough to get to the front page). One reason I think is that the turnover at HN is much higher. [1] https://henrikwarne.com/2016/04/17/more-good-programming-quotes/ https://henrikwarne.com/2016/04/17/more-good-programming-quo...

lisivka 11y ago

Why we need exact copy of reddit here? One reddit is not enough?

forrestthewoods 11y ago
We don't. But because the types on content are so similar we can compare results to look for systemic faults.
- lisivka 11y ago
  Faults?
  - forrestthewoods 11y ago
    I suspect that HN is significantly less deterministic than other sites as to what content escapes New. I believe that a good content aggregator (HN, Reddit, Digg, etc) should be able to promote a given piece of quality content with a high degree of reliability. Some sites are better at this then others. My impression is that HN is less good. I would consider that a fault. Obviously I don't have any hard evidence to anything I just said. Which is why I used words such as suspect, believe, and impression. There is always going to be some variability. All content kneels before RNGesus. But some really good content never gets past two upvotes. Two! That could be a lot better. In my opinion.

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loup-vaillant 11y ago

HN is bigger than /r/programming. The subject matter is broader, and there are more submissions. Getting to the front page here is harder. Second, new posts aren't even ranked before they get some upvotes, so they only appear on the "new" page. Not everyone looks at "new". The crowd that promote new stuff to the front page is not the same crowd that upvote stuff that's already on the front page. Some apparent randomness could come from this difference.