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The way to get onto the front page is to gratify your own curiosity, and then tell people about it. This article, for example.

minimaxir 11y ago
To paraphrase the original article that inspired the OP, the Hacker News front page is not a meritocracy. There are optimizations that make your submission more likely to be upvoted (a simple one being a clickbait title). It is worth noting that this submission would have different behavior with the original title "You only need 3 votes to play, and other facts about the Hacker News frontpage." (and apparently it was just changed to that, and penalized?) That's also why a good moderation team is necessary and important; to fix submissions which are not inherently good, and to boost submissions which are not inherently bad.
- ben_jones 11y ago
  Also I think there is something to be said about the comments section of the post. I rarely up vote anything, and if I do it's usually an afterthought after I've read a good discussion in the comments. I've also caught myself on multiple occasions up-voting a submission after I made a comment on it, simply so that my comment would become more visible and be up-voted. I think there are a lot of intricacies involved in these systems, and that they can be gamed for personal gain, ala much of reddit.
  - PhantomGremlin 11y ago
    I frequently upvote submissions that have good comments, even if the article is not-so-good. There really should be two different upvotes, one for submissions the other for comments.
- madeofpalk 11y ago
  Also, your post will get weighted down if it contains certain words or is from a certain domain. I believe at one point 'NSA' got you penalised (due to the high number of NSA links coming in at one point in time), and Medium posts have a tougher time getting onto the front page (due to the lower signal:noise ratio I guess).
  - nickpsecurity 11y ago
    NSA got me penalized from 2013 onward if I said anything positive about them on about any security or IT forum. Evidence or accuracy didn't matter due to polarization. So, this is more true than you say. Less now but the effect is still there.
  - PhantomGremlin 11y ago
    from a certain domain There's more than a bit of leftist elitism at work. E.g. I once made the mistake of submitting something from breitbart.com. It never appeared in 'new'. When I'm logged in, it shows me that I've submitted 5 items. Examining my submissions anonymously only shows 4 items. Perhaps there are 5 if someone has 'showdead' on? Putin's external propaganda site, rt.com, is OK, heaven forbid that Breitbart be afforded that same privilege.
    - madeofpalk 11y ago
      I think the simpler reason is for a similar reasons as to why Medium get's penalised by the algo - links from Breitbart (and Medium) generate less useful discussions than other sites, thus they must 'work harder' to 'earn' their place on the front page. Similar to the 'flame war detection' that flags posts with more comments than (up)votes.

minimaxir 11y ago

To paraphrase the original article that inspired the OP, the Hacker News front page is not a meritocracy. There are optimizations that make your submission more likely to be upvoted (a simple one being a clickbait title). It is worth noting that this submission would have different behavior with the original title "You only need 3 votes to play, and other facts about the Hacker News frontpage." (and apparently it was just changed to that, and penalized?) That's also why a good moderation team is necessary and important; to fix submissions which are not inherently good, and to boost submissions which are not inherently bad.

ben_jones 11y ago
Also I think there is something to be said about the comments section of the post. I rarely up vote anything, and if I do it's usually an afterthought after I've read a good discussion in the comments. I've also caught myself on multiple occasions up-voting a submission after I made a comment on it, simply so that my comment would become more visible and be up-voted. I think there are a lot of intricacies involved in these systems, and that they can be gamed for personal gain, ala much of reddit.
- PhantomGremlin 11y ago
  I frequently upvote submissions that have good comments, even if the article is not-so-good. There really should be two different upvotes, one for submissions the other for comments.
madeofpalk 11y ago
Also, your post will get weighted down if it contains certain words or is from a certain domain. I believe at one point 'NSA' got you penalised (due to the high number of NSA links coming in at one point in time), and Medium posts have a tougher time getting onto the front page (due to the lower signal:noise ratio I guess).
- nickpsecurity 11y ago
  NSA got me penalized from 2013 onward if I said anything positive about them on about any security or IT forum. Evidence or accuracy didn't matter due to polarization. So, this is more true than you say. Less now but the effect is still there.
- PhantomGremlin 11y ago
  from a certain domain There's more than a bit of leftist elitism at work. E.g. I once made the mistake of submitting something from breitbart.com. It never appeared in 'new'. When I'm logged in, it shows me that I've submitted 5 items. Examining my submissions anonymously only shows 4 items. Perhaps there are 5 if someone has 'showdead' on? Putin's external propaganda site, rt.com, is OK, heaven forbid that Breitbart be afforded that same privilege.
  - madeofpalk 11y ago
    I think the simpler reason is for a similar reasons as to why Medium get's penalised by the algo - links from Breitbart (and Medium) generate less useful discussions than other sites, thus they must 'work harder' to 'earn' their place on the front page. Similar to the 'flame war detection' that flags posts with more comments than (up)votes.