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There are two important points I think the author of this article doesn't really understand. 1. "4chan" is not a person, a club, a worldview, or even a reputat
by Archio 10y ago
There are two important points I think the author of this article doesn't really understand.
1. "4chan" is not a person, a club, a worldview, or even a reputation-based comment aggregator. 4chan is website with a constant, ephemeral stream of anonymous comments, and the "culture" between different boards varies quite significantly. This system makes it especially prone to misrepresentation by a media that does not understand it. One could easily write an article entitled "The New Man of Reddit" about disturbing subreddits that exist with deep misogynistic hatred, but people understand that one subreddit does not represent the views of everyone that visits the site as a whole. It is even easier to portray 20-30 4chan users as representative of hundreds of thousands because they all post under the same name, "Anonymous". I know several friends who frequent /g/ (the technology board on 4chan), and the discussion is on technical topics virtually all of the time.
2. There are obviously pockets on certain boards (e.g. /r9k/) with groups of anonymous users that have disturbing thoughts and views. That being said, I think it is a mistake to frame the problem as a website being "like Uber, but for violent misogyny", or making a broad analysis that includes references to decades-long gender dynamics theories. I am NOT defending or endorsing the actions whatsoever of these users.
However, if the author were to engage in conversation with some of the more extreme users, she might realize that what many of these people need is help. If she were to read personal stories threads on /r9k/ she might find that a large portion of those people are there because they are not "doing well" in life, at all, and have not "fit in" to society for a very long time. They are often clinically depressed, or have any number of debilitating mental illnesses. There are people there that are in poverty, have crippling anxiety disorders that prevent them from leaving the house, who are addicted to substances and cannot hold a job, and who have never done so much as held hands with a romantic interest even decades into adulthood. There are a disturbing number of people on /r9k/ that were physically and sexually abused as children, and those stories are excruciatingly sad. I don't exaggerate about the prevalence or severity of these problems, I have seen regular popular threads about child abuse and significant social impairment on boards. Misogyny is often not a calculated tactical hatred on the part of these people, but an unhealthy and abhorrent outlet for their desperation.
Again, I am not defending their actions and I don't think that those 4chan boards are positive places for people to seek refuge. But I think it is important to recognize why many of them are there, and proceed from a point of compassion for another human being, no matter hard that may be. It is easy and tempting to demonize a group of individuals that engage in repulsive misogynistic commentary all day, but that won't solve any of their problems or those of society.
- scandox 10y agoThat's how I read those 4Chan boards. As a kind of internet stream of consciousness. At first I found the racism hard especially with regard to my own...eh...flavour...but after a while you realize most of these people just feel very small and sad. It reminds me of the conversation Jacob Holdt has tried to start about the Ku Klux Klan.
- speeder 10y agoThis made me remember of when I visited randomly on internet a anti-feminist forum. I noticed there was a trend, where half of the users just wanted a better world in general, and the other half were extremely violent and hateful... but that hateful half also had the worst personal stories. One that I thought was particularly interesting, was of a guy that frequently parroted that women are evil, that noone should trust women, and so on, one day in a thread about rape he comments that he was raped, and couldn't get help at all, and that some years later he got a girlfriend, that ended raping him too, and this time when he sought help his treatment was even worse. I think for a person that was mistreated that way, it is easy to conclude that women are just evil liars and rapists. The thing is the guy obviously wants help, but he still fails to find it (from comments in several threads I could pick up that he sought help from police, psychologists, psychiatrists, social workers... everyone treated him with hostility, or when they actually belived him, thought it was hilarious/entertaining what happened to him).
- anjc 10y agoI think an important aspect that seems to get missed is that it's almost all blatantly meant to be humorous, no matter how dark it gets, or how incomprehensible to outsiders.
- krakensden 10y agoYeah, the aside about geeks winning economically was a bit of a tell. They are, kind of, but only a couple hundred thousand, from boomers to 22 year olds. Most are doing pretty bad.
- k__ 10y agoSo true. I was on /b/ for easy fun most of the time and went to /r9k/ for a few months, because I liked the idea for original content, but /r9k/ got boring really fast. Didn't know it became a cesspool for MRAs, but in hindsight it was meant to be, the people who made it boring were the guys crying about their problems with girls all the time... After a long long time I started visiting the other boards. When I first went on /fit/ (after 8 years 4chan, haha) I was baffled. They have their own culture, own memes and everything. It was like a whole own community, which had nothing to do with the rest of 4chan. But not all boards are "their own". /b/, /rk9/, /k/ and /pol/ for example, have a huge overlap.