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>> "That's 352,670,000,000,000,000,000 gallons just sloshing around out there." ^^ Stopped reading after this sentence.

by nxzero 11y ago

EGreg 11y ago
>> Stopped reading Stopped caring after seeing that
- nxzero 11y ago
  Your right, trying to exploit in an entire ecosystem for the benefit of a single species is a great idea.
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  - golergka 11y ago
    That's literally what every species on the planet is trying to do, as well as they can.
    - nxzero 11y ago
      All species self-regulate. If you feel you're able to provide notable research countering this, please do; happy to admit I'm wrong. https://www.google.com/search?q=species+self-regulation https://www.google.com/search?q=species+self-regulation
      - eveningcoffee 11y ago
        All species self-regulate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew_Island#Mammals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew_Island#Mammals Also really fun comic about this: http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comics_en/st-matthew-island/ http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comics_en/st-matthew-island/ happy to admit I'm wrong. There you go. Now before you start blaming developed nations about their energy usage, it is good to review the data persented here: http://visualizingeconomics.com/blog/2007/12/09/comparing-population-growth-china-india-africa-latin-america-western-europe-united-states http://visualizingeconomics.com/blog/2007/12/09/comparing-po...
        nxzero 11y ago
        Here's an example of notable research, "Why most published research findings are false" - note that it's been cited over 3000 times: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=15681017780418799273&hl=en&a_sdt=0,47 https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=15681017780418799... In my opinion, the event you references is not notable research.
        eveningcoffee 11y ago
        I do not know where you live, so your exposure to the actual wilderness might be limited, but if you had any real exposure, you would know that without big predators (like wolves in the northern part of the world) or hunting, the herbivores would bread to use all the available resources they can get. Yes, ecosystems (that is, set of different species including plants) self regulate themselves, but species try to maximize their numbers. If their numbers get too big, they starve and by some unlucky coincidences, they my become extinct due to resource exhaustion. I actually hope that humans would be better in this.
      - ci5er 11y ago
        The first page of results* from your own recommended search will provide you an answer: ecosystems self-regulate. Animals starve. It's not quite the same thing as the wise and forward-looking animals of the forest that you appear to be arguing for. *I realize that my first page might not be your first page - perhaps based on our differing search histories.
        nxzero 11y ago
        Yes, I'm aware of that search result, and for the matter the concept; sometimes being direct is less useful than being indirect. Expecting all animals to be wise in my opinion is unreasonable, I would hope that some animals are able to be reasonable. Cyanobacteria is the only animal I am aware of (beyond homosapiens) that has been responsible for a significant extincion event on Earth.
        eveningcoffee 11y ago
        Cyanobacteria was just lucky. Give the deer a change and it would put everything out of this planet including themselves. Luckily for us, this stupid animal can only flourish under very limited conditions. This is an excellent example: "the residents of Long Island on Lake Winnipesaukee wanted to eliminate hunting deer so they could enjoy these beautiful animals. A few years later, the deer had eaten all the wild shrubs and trees, and began invading the homeowners' property on the island to sample the flowers and shrubs of the residents.". [0]* [0] http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20140407/SPORTS/404070324 http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20140407/SPORTS/404070... * remind you, I am not advocating of killing off all the deer because how else will the big predators get enough of food and how else we can get all the tasty deer meat sausages.
        nxzero 11y ago
        Very possible you'd learn something by reading this: http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/act-c-sh-mythreality.html http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/act-c-sh-mythreality.h...

>> "That's 352,670,000,000,000,000,000 gallons just sloshing around out there." ^^ Stopped reading after this sentence.

by nxzero 11y ago

>> "That's 352,670,000,000,000,000,000 gallons just sloshing around out there." ^^ Stopped reading after this sentence.

EGreg 11y ago

>> Stopped reading Stopped caring after seeing that

nxzero 11y ago
Your right, trying to exploit in an entire ecosystem for the benefit of a single species is a great idea.
- deleted 11y ago
  [deleted]
- golergka 11y ago
  That's literally what every species on the planet is trying to do, as well as they can.
  - nxzero 11y ago
    All species self-regulate. If you feel you're able to provide notable research countering this, please do; happy to admit I'm wrong. https://www.google.com/search?q=species+self-regulation https://www.google.com/search?q=species+self-regulation
    - eveningcoffee 11y ago
      All species self-regulate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew_Island#Mammals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew_Island#Mammals Also really fun comic about this: http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comics_en/st-matthew-island/ http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comics_en/st-matthew-island/ happy to admit I'm wrong. There you go. Now before you start blaming developed nations about their energy usage, it is good to review the data persented here: http://visualizingeconomics.com/blog/2007/12/09/comparing-population-growth-china-india-africa-latin-america-western-europe-united-states http://visualizingeconomics.com/blog/2007/12/09/comparing-po...
      - nxzero 11y ago
        Here's an example of notable research, "Why most published research findings are false" - note that it's been cited over 3000 times: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=15681017780418799273&hl=en&a_sdt=0,47 https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=15681017780418799... In my opinion, the event you references is not notable research.
        eveningcoffee 11y ago
        I do not know where you live, so your exposure to the actual wilderness might be limited, but if you had any real exposure, you would know that without big predators (like wolves in the northern part of the world) or hunting, the herbivores would bread to use all the available resources they can get. Yes, ecosystems (that is, set of different species including plants) self regulate themselves, but species try to maximize their numbers. If their numbers get too big, they starve and by some unlucky coincidences, they my become extinct due to resource exhaustion. I actually hope that humans would be better in this.
    - ci5er 11y ago
      The first page of results* from your own recommended search will provide you an answer: ecosystems self-regulate. Animals starve. It's not quite the same thing as the wise and forward-looking animals of the forest that you appear to be arguing for. *I realize that my first page might not be your first page - perhaps based on our differing search histories.
      - nxzero 11y ago
        Yes, I'm aware of that search result, and for the matter the concept; sometimes being direct is less useful than being indirect. Expecting all animals to be wise in my opinion is unreasonable, I would hope that some animals are able to be reasonable. Cyanobacteria is the only animal I am aware of (beyond homosapiens) that has been responsible for a significant extincion event on Earth.
        eveningcoffee 11y ago
        Cyanobacteria was just lucky. Give the deer a change and it would put everything out of this planet including themselves. Luckily for us, this stupid animal can only flourish under very limited conditions. This is an excellent example: "the residents of Long Island on Lake Winnipesaukee wanted to eliminate hunting deer so they could enjoy these beautiful animals. A few years later, the deer had eaten all the wild shrubs and trees, and began invading the homeowners' property on the island to sample the flowers and shrubs of the residents.". [0]* [0] http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20140407/SPORTS/404070324 http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20140407/SPORTS/404070... * remind you, I am not advocating of killing off all the deer because how else will the big predators get enough of food and how else we can get all the tasty deer meat sausages.
        nxzero 11y ago
        Very possible you'd learn something by reading this: http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/act-c-sh-mythreality.html http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/act-c-sh-mythreality.h...