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Obama in 2008 said that gay marriage should be a states' rights issue, and that he personally believed marriage is between one man and one woman. The fact that

by gaur 10y ago

Obama in 2008 said that gay marriage should be a states' rights issue, and that he personally believed marriage is between one man and one woman. The fact that he and his administration later supported gay marriage just shows that they're canny politicians.

_yosefk 10y ago
You mean he was honest before he was ever elected president and needed votes, and now that he can no longer be elected and in this sense has nothing to lose, came the dishonesty? Is it not imaginable that, being a canny politician, he was dishonest then and is more honest now?
- spdustin 10y ago
  Why either extreme? He chose the battles to fight then, and later realized that the battle needed to be fought in federal court after all. As well, supporting marriage equality doesn't have to entail agreeing with it. I have to support the right that bigots have to exercise their hate speech on television, but I do not have to agree with them, nor do I have to defend their position.
  - _yosefk 10y ago
    I think the real extreme is a guy flip flops on an issue and someone assumes it's all sincere. Much more extreme than arguing which was the time when he wasn't. I guess I'm jealous as I never found a politician or a movement I liked enough to see no fault in them, in fact I've never even got to vote for someone who didn't make me a bit sick, nor heard about a politician in any of the countries far, far away who'd give me such an opportunity as a voter had I been a citizen there.
dogma1138 10y ago
The first part might very well be from Obama the constitutional lawyer, meaning that it believes that the federal government has no place on defining what a marriage is and is not. And the 2nd part might very well be from Obama himself, believing that "marriage" especially in the "traditional/religious" sense is a bond between a Man and a Woman doesn't mean you object to gay men, women, and transsexuals from being "married" in the legal sense of the way. The Administration supported the fact that states are not allowed to ban gay marriage that in a sense actually matches what both "Obama's" said previously. And as long as gay couples can receive the same legal protection and benefits of any other "married" couple through any means I myself consider them to be equal in the eyes of the law and that anything beyond that is a fight for symbolism and semantics which while I do not object too I also do not actively support or take part in.

by gaur 10y ago

_yosefk 10y ago

You mean he was honest before he was ever elected president and needed votes, and now that he can no longer be elected and in this sense has nothing to lose, came the dishonesty? Is it not imaginable that, being a canny politician, he was dishonest then and is more honest now?

spdustin 10y ago
Why either extreme? He chose the battles to fight then, and later realized that the battle needed to be fought in federal court after all. As well, supporting marriage equality doesn't have to entail agreeing with it. I have to support the right that bigots have to exercise their hate speech on television, but I do not have to agree with them, nor do I have to defend their position.
- _yosefk 10y ago
  I think the real extreme is a guy flip flops on an issue and someone assumes it's all sincere. Much more extreme than arguing which was the time when he wasn't. I guess I'm jealous as I never found a politician or a movement I liked enough to see no fault in them, in fact I've never even got to vote for someone who didn't make me a bit sick, nor heard about a politician in any of the countries far, far away who'd give me such an opportunity as a voter had I been a citizen there.

dogma1138 10y ago

The first part might very well be from Obama the constitutional lawyer, meaning that it believes that the federal government has no place on defining what a marriage is and is not. And the 2nd part might very well be from Obama himself, believing that "marriage" especially in the "traditional/religious" sense is a bond between a Man and a Woman doesn't mean you object to gay men, women, and transsexuals from being "married" in the legal sense of the way. The Administration supported the fact that states are not allowed to ban gay marriage that in a sense actually matches what both "Obama's" said previously. And as long as gay couples can receive the same legal protection and benefits of any other "married" couple through any means I myself consider them to be equal in the eyes of the law and that anything beyond that is a fight for symbolism and semantics which while I do not object too I also do not actively support or take part in.