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Women have less rights than men there. But yeah the real problem is words being thrown around about a nation that still beheads people. That's the real problem
by seivan 10y ago
Women have less rights than men there. But yeah the real problem is words being thrown around about a nation that still beheads people. That's the real problem and you're okay with emphasizing that problem more the fact that the other issues stated on say Wikipedia about Saudi.
- WaxProlix 10y agoWe electrocute people to death, or sometimes inject them with various poisons. Doesn't seem too materially different in that regard.
- zo1 10y agoIt's not materially different until you consider the "crimes" that those people committed. In most normal places, that's usually something very severe such as murder which is one of the worst crimes a human individual can commit. Can you say the same of Saudi Arabia and its executions?
- WaxProlix 10y agoObviously I don't think so, but just saying "they behead people!" seems a bit disingenuous.
- gkya 10y ago> But yeah the real problem is words being thrown around about a nation that still beheads people. How are being beheaded or executed with lethal injection different? They are one of the few states that retain the right to kill their own people left today, among the US, Japan, Iran, Belarus, China, etc. Further, Saudi Arabia is a kingdom, not a nation. Its political system was installed by the occidentals after WWI. For women, yes, they have less rights de jure, but de facto, we don't know that very well. After all, different people have different cultures, and if we do not respect that, where is the demos in democracy then?
- anonymfus 10y agoThe main difference between Saudi Arabia and other countries you mentioned is that Saudi Arabia executes people for atheism.
- outside1234 10y agoAre you kidding? Women clearly have less rights than men. They can't drive, vote, or be seen in public without an abaya, a floor-length black nondescript robe. Additionally restaurants, banks, and other places are segregated by sex.
- joesmo 10y ago"For women, yes, they have less rights de jure, but de facto, we don't know that very well. After all, different people have different cultures, and if we do not respect that, where is the demos in democracy then?" What a bunch of bullshit. You respect a culture that enslaves, rapes, and murders its women out of pleasure? You think that's somehow a "culture" where women might be treated equally? Or are you just pandering to the idea of absolute cultural relativism as if there are no morals to be had in the world (some would call this trolling)? Saudi Arabia is a disgusting "culture" and society. Defending their barbaric, primitive, idiotic practices is almost as equally disgusting.
- gkya 10y agoI am an absolute cultural relativist, and I do think that there are no morals preset. The culture of theirs is sure unbearable to you, and to me (I'd be beheaded for atheism before I could ever talk about women there), but its their problem. And when you utter the words barbaric, primitive, idiotic, be sure that you can logically answer the question: to whom? And stop confusing the state with the people, and making blanket statements.