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"The answer at speakerconf was: Probably," How is "probably" a "consensus" ? It is more likely that there were people arguing "yes", some people "no" and othe

"The answer at speakerconf was: Probably," How is "probably" a "consensus" ? It is more likely that there were people arguing "yes", some people "no" and others saying saying "it depends". I would be very surprised if the folks at SpeakerConf (I've worked with many of them including Jay) arrived at a consensus that unit tests hinder refactoring and/or the ability to add new tests. But, yes, they are some very independent thinkers in that group and I would be very surprised if some of them don't think thoughts at variance with agile orthodoxy. Jay says nothing about any consensus anywhere. Are you sure you aren't reading more than what he said into the post?

jerf 17y ago
'How is "probably" a "consensus" ? It is more likely that there were people arguing "yes", some people "no" and others saying saying "it depends".' Well, "probably" would tend to imply the ones in favor of the thing labeled "probably" were winning. Or at least louder. If it was totally even, the word would be "maybe" or "nobody could agree". But: "Jay says nothing about any consensus anywhere. Are you sure you aren't reading more than what he said into the post?" In a word: No. But double and triple checking I still don't find it an impossible reading of the text, so I don't feel bad, and still won't even if it is clarified later that I am wrong. In the meantime a good discussion has broken out, so shrug.
- plinkplonk 17y ago
  "I still don't find it an impossible reading of the text, so I don't feel bad, and still won't even if it is clarified later that I am wrong." Well I wasn't trying to make you feel bad, fwiw. Just wondering what in Jay's post caused you to say "This discussion boggles my mind,". I didn't see anything "boggle worthy" hence the question. peace.
  - jerf 17y ago
    Oh, I'm not saying you're trying to make me feel bad; I would feel bad if I grossly misread something. I hate it when people do it to me, so I try not to do it to others. What would make be boggle is that a consensus would develop that unit testing was more trouble than it's worth most of the time; if no such consensus exists then I wouldn't be boggling.

jerf 17y ago

'How is "probably" a "consensus" ? It is more likely that there were people arguing "yes", some people "no" and others saying saying "it depends".' Well, "probably" would tend to imply the ones in favor of the thing labeled "probably" were winning. Or at least louder. If it was totally even, the word would be "maybe" or "nobody could agree". But: "Jay says nothing about any consensus anywhere. Are you sure you aren't reading more than what he said into the post?" In a word: No. But double and triple checking I still don't find it an impossible reading of the text, so I don't feel bad, and still won't even if it is clarified later that I am wrong. In the meantime a good discussion has broken out, so shrug.

plinkplonk 17y ago
"I still don't find it an impossible reading of the text, so I don't feel bad, and still won't even if it is clarified later that I am wrong." Well I wasn't trying to make you feel bad, fwiw. Just wondering what in Jay's post caused you to say "This discussion boggles my mind,". I didn't see anything "boggle worthy" hence the question. peace.
- jerf 17y ago
  Oh, I'm not saying you're trying to make me feel bad; I would feel bad if I grossly misread something. I hate it when people do it to me, so I try not to do it to others. What would make be boggle is that a consensus would develop that unit testing was more trouble than it's worth most of the time; if no such consensus exists then I wouldn't be boggling.