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As mentioned by yummyfajitas you can try plan9port http://swtch.com/plan9port http://swtch.com/plan9port or 9vx http://swtch.com/9vx http://swtch.com/9vx and

As mentioned by yummyfajitas you can try plan9port http://swtch.com/plan9port http://swtch.com/plan9port or 9vx http://swtch.com/9vx http://swtch.com/9vx and try to get sam running on top of your linux box.

rbanffy 17y ago
That's quite an overkill ;-) But cool, nevertheless. I am a bit ashamed the coolest operating systems on the market today are either Unix-derived/inspired or a lame rehash of VMS. There is something wrong with this.
- gvb 17y ago
  It isn't wrong, it is the consequence of a simple principle: "Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." – Henry Spencer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy#Quotes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy#Quotes
  - rbanffy 17y ago
    But, again, we had Plan 9. It was great and went nowhere. We had Lisp machines, Smalltalk and Oberon. All of them insanely ahead of their (and perhaps our) time and insanely cool. I can see we couldn't make anything better than Unix. What makes me ashamed is that we should be able to do it and I can't quite grasp why.
- kelnos 17y ago
  Eh, probably some variation of the "good enough" principle. It's hard to get people to switch to something better if it's "only" an evolution, not a revolution.
  - rbanffy 17y ago
    But that's the point. There were revolutions. Plan 9 was one. Lisp machines were another - an entire environment written in Lisp from top to bottom, as were the Smalltalk machines Xerox built. We had plenty of revolutions after Unix. OTOH, Lisp is still going strong and regaining lots of followers. Maybe the folks at Bell Labs accidentally hit a local maximum in the OS space... But I still think we should understand what really happened.
jff 17y ago
If you want Acme or Sam, the best course is to install plan9port. It's easy and you get the most modern version of the editors. Wily is not very usable, so I recommend avoiding it. The sam that comes in the debian repository is a very old-school black and white version, which works fine, but the plan9ports version has very nice colors and fonts.

rbanffy 17y ago

That's quite an overkill ;-) But cool, nevertheless. I am a bit ashamed the coolest operating systems on the market today are either Unix-derived/inspired or a lame rehash of VMS. There is something wrong with this.

gvb 17y ago
It isn't wrong, it is the consequence of a simple principle: "Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." – Henry Spencer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy#Quotes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy#Quotes
- rbanffy 17y ago
  But, again, we had Plan 9. It was great and went nowhere. We had Lisp machines, Smalltalk and Oberon. All of them insanely ahead of their (and perhaps our) time and insanely cool. I can see we couldn't make anything better than Unix. What makes me ashamed is that we should be able to do it and I can't quite grasp why.
kelnos 17y ago
Eh, probably some variation of the "good enough" principle. It's hard to get people to switch to something better if it's "only" an evolution, not a revolution.
- rbanffy 17y ago
  But that's the point. There were revolutions. Plan 9 was one. Lisp machines were another - an entire environment written in Lisp from top to bottom, as were the Smalltalk machines Xerox built. We had plenty of revolutions after Unix. OTOH, Lisp is still going strong and regaining lots of followers. Maybe the folks at Bell Labs accidentally hit a local maximum in the OS space... But I still think we should understand what really happened.

jff 17y ago

If you want Acme or Sam, the best course is to install plan9port. It's easy and you get the most modern version of the editors. Wily is not very usable, so I recommend avoiding it. The sam that comes in the debian repository is a very old-school black and white version, which works fine, but the plan9ports version has very nice colors and fonts.