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MATE Desktop Environment
- xutopia 11y agoWhat happened to Gnome?
- cisstrd 11y agoGnome changed some things with Gnome 3.x (which was not recently) and some people were dissatisfied with it, so they forked Gnome 2.x, created the Mate Desktop Environment and that's it. Nothing happened to Gnome, it's alive and kicking.
- r3bl 11y agoIf I'm not mistaken, MATE is far away from being the only fork of the 2.x version.
- cisstrd 11y agowould not surprise me, it's by far the most widely used and well known though I guess
- sunnyps 11y agoIf you're referring to Cinnamon, that's actually a fork of Gnome 3.
- nycticorax 11y agoI think you are mistaken...
- zxcvcxz 11y agoSince switching to GNOME 3 I can't use any other DE because none of them can emulate the workspace management of GNOME 3.
- noobermin 11y agoDing ding ding GNOME 3 got it right for me, one button/hand motion for everything, since starting it, I only moved between it and qtile because I like automatic tiling from time to time.
- GhotiFish 11y agoHas gnome 3 changed the way it does workspace management or something? The only difference I remember from Gnome 3's workspace management and virtually every other implementation was that it adjusted the number of virtual desktops dynamically. As opposed to the common case of a fixed number. Is there something else it's doing?
- gkop 11y agoI like it because the basic tiling is good enough, the spotlight is pleasing, and it's mainstream and reliable (try it with Debian Jessie!). The workspace management is as good as Compiz 0.8.4 was, wouldn't say it's any better (now I'm curious!).
- cisstrd 11y agohmmh without trying to talk negatively about it, why is this on front page? am I missing something here? What happened: people who were dissatisfied with gnome 3.x forked gnome 2 (a long time ago), created the Mate Desktop Environment, and that's pretty much it. somewhat ancient history and the site has nothing of particular interest to offer... (no revolutionary milestone or anything of that sort)
- jsprogrammer 11y agoAccording to the linked page, a new version was released a week ago.
- cisstrd 11y agomhmh yeah I saw that, was unsure if that is the reason it gets upvoted... one should link to this though http://www.mate-desktop.org/blog/2016-04-08-mate-1-14-released/ http://www.mate-desktop.org/blog/2016-04-08-mate-1-14-releas... but ok...
- BHSPitMonkey 11y agoIt seems as though posting an old or ongoing project's web site on HN at any time is considered normal. You aren't the only one who's confused by it. It would make a bit more sense if these posts linked to some kind of new release or announcement of interest from the project ("news").
- desdiv 11y agoThat just means you weren't one of the ten thousand[0] today. But rest assured, there were thousands of readers who weren't aware of Mate before and are now. [0] https://xkcd.com/1053/ https://xkcd.com/1053/
- cisstrd 11y agonot at all my intention to poke fun at anyone though, it's hard to judge if something which is common knowledge for oneself might not be well known in general
- chris_wot 11y agoI'm curious now what stops people from using Linux on the desktop. There were significant issues a few years ago, but they now appear to be addressed. What are the problems with Linux on the desktop?
- cisstrd 11y agolacking hardware support for new graphic cards and some weird wireless cards printing is incredibly broken and sometimes cumbersome some games and applications (photoshop, et cetera) people care for don't run or only with some work involved it does not come pre-installed with computers people buy not sure about power efficiency (power drain optimizations for notebooks and the like), but last I checked it's less efficient there not necessarily a gui for everything mere fact that there is so much choice (distributions, desktop environments, et cetera) that it is confusing no central customer support xorg is a mess, wayland afaik with some bad design decisions already those were always the reasons weren't they? your comment seems to imply it's not usable on the desktop, that's not the case, but for above reasons it has never gone mainstream (and will not in the near future) for the desktop. but I am really an unsympathetic person to the whole linux-on-desktop mission. for me it's a server os or for specific use cases (ps4 based on freebsd, android, et cetera), that's where it shines, it's nice it works on the desktop, and I always use bsd/linux for my machines, but some think it apparently has to rival/beat windows/macos, don't agree with that. (in many ways it's particularly nice for developers/geeks because it's a server os working on the desktop, not another windows/macos - tell that to the systemd folks...)
- mentatghola 11y agoHow is linux a server os and not for the desktop?
- leetNightshade 11y agoI don't know what other people's issues are with it, but generally the experience isn't entirely smooth, and for some things there aren't fallback methods when problems arise things just go to shit. My recent negative experience with graphics drivers. I had a Nvidia gpu set with a proprietary driver, switched to an AMD gpu, and then x server fails to start. I didn't know how to fix this on the command line. I had to pop the Nvidia gpu back in, switch to the open driver. After switching back to the AMD gpu there are serious graphical issues that make it impossible to accomplish anything; this same AMD gpu used to work just fine when side-by-side with the Nvidia card, only recently had this issue after the Nvidia card was removed. This experience is very grating. Windows handles gpu swapping with multiple driver installs very well, I didn't have any negative experiences with it on my desktop. I haven't touched Linux for weeks because I dread having to spend time fixing this when I can easily boot Windows and work without issue.
- sdfin 11y agoThe last time I tried it, with Ubuntu Mate, I percieved it had more bugs than Xubuntu. Xubuntu comes with xfce. I find that xfce looks very similar to mate but runs more smoothly and it feels more polished. At least I don't remember seeing errors related to the UI with xfce, unlike the experience with mate.
- asdfaoeu 11y agoI believe the Ubuntu Mate fork is pretty new and Ubuntu does modify gtk quite a bit. I've been using it on Arch and haven't really had any problems with it.
- exception_e 11y agoIMO, MATE on Linux Mint has been wonderful for the last year or so. Would recommend for desktop.
- dave_sullivan 11y agoI am also a big fan of mint, have been using 3-4 years (and before that Debian > Ubuntu > Gentoo > red hat > slackware). Mint with cinnamon is also interesting. I'm thinking of trying Ubuntu mate in a new build though, there's a new version out that's supposedly very usable (previous versions have been strongly beta apparently). Clearly, distros rise and fall.
- oxplot 11y agoI can't use anything but MATE + Compiz and mostly because of Compiz'es fantastic functionality and customizability. I'm talking about color filters, grid plugin, and endless others that have no equivalent elsewhere.
- gkop 11y agoHas Compiz improved in the last couple years? 0.8.4 was great, 0.9.8 was garbage. I wrote it off as garbage hijacked by Canonical exclusively to support Unity. (Gnome 3 is pretty much now a fine replacement for Compiz 0.8.4 imo)
- 4bpp 11y agoI use the 0.8 series myself, and it does its job without making me pine for any particular improvements. As far as I can tell, there are occasional attempts at reviving development popping up every now and then, but none of them go far since the set of people who remain if you take out Ubuntu, GNOME 3 and KDE users (each of which has its own compositor) and then also remove all those who are using niche window managers for their minimalism and lower resource usage is very small.
- oxplot 11y agoI use 0.9.12.2 and it's been rock solid for past 3 months and prior versions equally stable as well.
- ronnier 11y ago.
- smegel 11y agoUsing it on Fedora, love it.
- ferrari8608 11y ago"The name “MATE”, pronounced Ma-Tay, comes from yerba maté, a species of holly native to subtropical South America. Its leaves contain caffeine and are used to make infusions and a beverage called mate." Neat! And here I've been pronouncing it like the English word "mate".
- tosseraccount 11y agoThere's also "mate de coca", which has a different active ingredient than caffeine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca_tea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca_tea
- EuAndreh 11y agoI'm from South America and I didn't know this either, and I also pronounced like English word "mate", lol
- userbinator 11y agoThe beverage, when consumed hot, is also classified as a probable carcinogen: http://www.inchem.org/documents/iarc/vol51/03-mate.html http://www.inchem.org/documents/iarc/vol51/03-mate.html
- petecox 11y agoWhich is possibly more to do with drinking scoldingly hot liquid than the chemical composition. My late father had oesophageal cancer from drinking up to a dozen cups of tea a day, with reflux.
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- arde 11y agoFurthermore, there's a mistake there. The plant name is not written "maté", which would be pronounced mah-TEH, but "mate", and it's pronounced MAH-teh.
- loeg 11y agoI wish they had kept the GNOME application names (Nautilus, File-roller, ...) that I am familiar with instead of renaming them. Sure, they are forks, but spiritually similar. Perhaps "MATE Nautilus," etc., would have been fine.
- swayvil 11y agoAgreed. Caja and Pluma is awkward.
- nailer 11y agoOr just File Manager or whatever the other thing does. One of the things that isn't so great is dealing with every small piece of software having its own branding.
- grimoald 11y agoPlease not. When I have a problem with a program I want to know what to type into Google. I'm using LXDE and in some apps you won't even see its name in the about window.
- swayvil 11y agoPresently using it. Been using it for a couple years. I prefer it over all other desktops.
- known 11y agoMATE is 2nd best for me after tint2 https://www.maketecheasier.com/configure-andcustomize-openbox/ https://www.maketecheasier.com/configure-andcustomize-openbo...