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Researching the sam editor is strangely intriguing. See Rob Pike's description of the command language: http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/sam_lang_tutorial/sam_tut

by asolove 17y ago

Researching the sam editor is strangely intriguing. See Rob Pike's description of the command language: http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/sam_lang_tutorial/sam_tut.pdf http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/sam_lang_tutorial/sam_tut.pdf

j_baker 17y ago
Speaking of which, does anybody know how to get acme/sam working on Ubuntu? I'd really like to play with it a bit.
- tsuraan 17y ago
  In gentoo, I think it's part of the plan9port package. Is there something like that for debian/ubuntu?
  - j_baker 17y ago
    Yeah, but it doesn't include acme. :-(
    - Semiapies 17y ago
      You might try Acme SAC: http://caerwyn.com/acme/ http://caerwyn.com/acme/
- vinutheraj 17y ago
  As mentioned by yummyfajitas you can try plan9port http://swtch.com/plan9port http://swtch.com/plan9port or 9vx http://swtch.com/9vx http://swtch.com/9vx and try to get sam running on top of your linux box.
  - rbanffy 17y ago
    That's quite an overkill ;-) But cool, nevertheless. I am a bit ashamed the coolest operating systems on the market today are either Unix-derived/inspired or a lame rehash of VMS. There is something wrong with this.
    - gvb 17y ago
      It isn't wrong, it is the consequence of a simple principle: "Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." – Henry Spencer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy#Quotes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy#Quotes
      - rbanffy 17y ago
        But, again, we had Plan 9. It was great and went nowhere. We had Lisp machines, Smalltalk and Oberon. All of them insanely ahead of their (and perhaps our) time and insanely cool. I can see we couldn't make anything better than Unix. What makes me ashamed is that we should be able to do it and I can't quite grasp why.
    - kelnos 17y ago
      Eh, probably some variation of the "good enough" principle. It's hard to get people to switch to something better if it's "only" an evolution, not a revolution.
      - rbanffy 17y ago
        But that's the point. There were revolutions. Plan 9 was one. Lisp machines were another - an entire environment written in Lisp from top to bottom, as were the Smalltalk machines Xerox built. We had plenty of revolutions after Unix. OTOH, Lisp is still going strong and regaining lots of followers. Maybe the folks at Bell Labs accidentally hit a local maximum in the OS space... But I still think we should understand what really happened.
  - jff 17y ago
    If you want Acme or Sam, the best course is to install plan9port. It's easy and you get the most modern version of the editors. Wily is not very usable, so I recommend avoiding it. The sam that comes in the debian repository is a very old-school black and white version, which works fine, but the plan9ports version has very nice colors and fonts.
- vorador 17y ago
  It's in the "sam" package.
- razzmataz 17y ago
  For acme - 'apt-get install wily' - wily is an acme work-alike. For sam - 'apt-get install sam'.
silentbicycle 17y ago
Acme is also quite interesting. Very strongly influenced by Oberon. There's a Unix port called Wily (http://www.cse.yorku.ca/~oz/wily/ http://www.cse.yorku.ca/~oz/wily/), among others.

by asolove 17y ago

j_baker 17y ago

Speaking of which, does anybody know how to get acme/sam working on Ubuntu? I'd really like to play with it a bit.

tsuraan 17y ago
In gentoo, I think it's part of the plan9port package. Is there something like that for debian/ubuntu?
- j_baker 17y ago
  Yeah, but it doesn't include acme. :-(
  - Semiapies 17y ago
    You might try Acme SAC: http://caerwyn.com/acme/ http://caerwyn.com/acme/
vinutheraj 17y ago
As mentioned by yummyfajitas you can try plan9port http://swtch.com/plan9port http://swtch.com/plan9port or 9vx http://swtch.com/9vx http://swtch.com/9vx and try to get sam running on top of your linux box.
- rbanffy 17y ago
  That's quite an overkill ;-) But cool, nevertheless. I am a bit ashamed the coolest operating systems on the market today are either Unix-derived/inspired or a lame rehash of VMS. There is something wrong with this.
  - gvb 17y ago
    It isn't wrong, it is the consequence of a simple principle: "Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." – Henry Spencer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy#Quotes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy#Quotes
    - rbanffy 17y ago
      But, again, we had Plan 9. It was great and went nowhere. We had Lisp machines, Smalltalk and Oberon. All of them insanely ahead of their (and perhaps our) time and insanely cool. I can see we couldn't make anything better than Unix. What makes me ashamed is that we should be able to do it and I can't quite grasp why.
  - kelnos 17y ago
    Eh, probably some variation of the "good enough" principle. It's hard to get people to switch to something better if it's "only" an evolution, not a revolution.
    - rbanffy 17y ago
      But that's the point. There were revolutions. Plan 9 was one. Lisp machines were another - an entire environment written in Lisp from top to bottom, as were the Smalltalk machines Xerox built. We had plenty of revolutions after Unix. OTOH, Lisp is still going strong and regaining lots of followers. Maybe the folks at Bell Labs accidentally hit a local maximum in the OS space... But I still think we should understand what really happened.
- jff 17y ago
  If you want Acme or Sam, the best course is to install plan9port. It's easy and you get the most modern version of the editors. Wily is not very usable, so I recommend avoiding it. The sam that comes in the debian repository is a very old-school black and white version, which works fine, but the plan9ports version has very nice colors and fonts.
vorador 17y ago
It's in the "sam" package.
razzmataz 17y ago
For acme - 'apt-get install wily' - wily is an acme work-alike. For sam - 'apt-get install sam'.

silentbicycle 17y ago

Acme is also quite interesting. Very strongly influenced by Oberon. There's a Unix port called Wily (http://www.cse.yorku.ca/~oz/wily/ http://www.cse.yorku.ca/~oz/wily/), among others.