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It's been widely known that the UN peacekeepers originated the outbreak for years now. The issue isn't closed source data, it's the UN being organizationally in

by zymhan 11y ago

It's been widely known that the UN peacekeepers originated the outbreak for years now. The issue isn't closed source data, it's the UN being organizationally incapable of holding people responsible for fuck ups. EDIT: Recent example - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/opinion/sunday/i-love-the-un-but-it-is-failing.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/opinion/sunday/i-love-the-...

dmix 11y ago
I had no idea UN was so bad. I've heard so many stories of their failures. But I didn't realize it was systemic. That makes a lot more sense now, understanding those stories in the context of a nepotistic bureaucratic mess. Reminds me of modern universities where 75-90% of the expense is going to administrators instead of the core service (education). Which is a big reason why tuition keeps rising.
greggman 11y ago
So if you come to a bar with the flu and get me sick should I hold you responsible for fuck ups? Or maybe the bar? What if one of their workers is the one with the flu? I'm not sure it's comparable, flu only kills 4x more people as cholera and honestly I'd personally like it if I could sue people for getting me sick by going out to public places when they know they are sick. (A friend of mine just gloated on twitter that he probably got 100 people sick by attending a meetup with the flu.) That said, since most people don't seem to agree with me and just take it as normal that sicknesses get passed on with a ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ type attitude I guess I'm unsure how to hold the UN any more responsible.
- zymhan 11y ago
  It's not like this was inevitable, had the UN peacekeepers simply setup adequate sanitation, they wouldn't have polluted and infected so many Haitians.
- thaumasiotes 11y ago
  > honestly I'd personally like it if I could sue people for getting me sick by going out to public places when they know they are sick You definitely can do this. They'd need to have something more serious than the flu. Forcible quarantine for severe communicable diseases is a feature of US law. > flu only kills 4x more people as cholera How many people have the flu, vs how many having cholera?
  - EdHominem 11y ago
    He'd only need to sue for damages because they violated reasonable self-quarantine principles and put him and others at risk - not force the state to actually quarantine them. And he could definitely sue. USA!

by zymhan 11y ago

dmix 11y ago

I had no idea UN was so bad. I've heard so many stories of their failures. But I didn't realize it was systemic. That makes a lot more sense now, understanding those stories in the context of a nepotistic bureaucratic mess. Reminds me of modern universities where 75-90% of the expense is going to administrators instead of the core service (education). Which is a big reason why tuition keeps rising.

greggman 11y ago

So if you come to a bar with the flu and get me sick should I hold you responsible for fuck ups? Or maybe the bar? What if one of their workers is the one with the flu? I'm not sure it's comparable, flu only kills 4x more people as cholera and honestly I'd personally like it if I could sue people for getting me sick by going out to public places when they know they are sick. (A friend of mine just gloated on twitter that he probably got 100 people sick by attending a meetup with the flu.) That said, since most people don't seem to agree with me and just take it as normal that sicknesses get passed on with a ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ type attitude I guess I'm unsure how to hold the UN any more responsible.

zymhan 11y ago
It's not like this was inevitable, had the UN peacekeepers simply setup adequate sanitation, they wouldn't have polluted and infected so many Haitians.
thaumasiotes 11y ago
> honestly I'd personally like it if I could sue people for getting me sick by going out to public places when they know they are sick You definitely can do this. They'd need to have something more serious than the flu. Forcible quarantine for severe communicable diseases is a feature of US law. > flu only kills 4x more people as cholera How many people have the flu, vs how many having cholera?
- EdHominem 11y ago
  He'd only need to sue for damages because they violated reasonable self-quarantine principles and put him and others at risk - not force the state to actually quarantine them. And he could definitely sue. USA!