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Work life balance is a propaganda spread by people in tech only. You should look how hard the doctors and nurses are working in emergency room and getting paid

Work life balance is a propaganda spread by people in tech only. You should look how hard the doctors and nurses are working in emergency room and getting paid so much less. These all talks from tech people sound really idiotic. So just shut up and go back to work.

kdamken 11y ago
What a sad way to view life. Doctors and other medical staff are overworked, and that's not a good thing that everyone else should aspire to. Have fun working your way into a heart attack at 45 I guess.
galaktor 11y ago
not to disagree with what you're trying to say, but "it could be worse" isn't a good argument on it's own.
emodendroket 11y ago
If you want to make things more equal, maybe we should improve work for all instead of relentlessly making it worse until everyone is miserable.
imgabe 11y ago
1. Doctors are paid very well. Much better than most tech jobs. Starting salaries after all residences/fellowships are completed and board exams passed are $250k+. Doctors can also moonlight even while in residency (after passing board exams I think) for, from what I've heard, about $1k per 12 hour shift (~$83/hr). 2. Nurses are also pretty well paid and eligible for overtime in most cases. That said, there's a big push lately to limit the number of hours doctors are allowed to work in a row. It was common to pull 36 hour shifts in some cases (with naps/downtime but still in the hospital and on call), but now people are starting to realize that having sleep-deprived people administering medical treatment is not such a good idea.
- abawany 11y ago
  Re. 2 I learnt to my great astonishment yesterday that that is not necessarily true: ER nurses in Austin are paid $25/hr since the town pretty much has two large conglomerates that manage all healthcare [1]. It really makes one wonder why healthcare is so expensive in this country. My only explanation for the motivation of doctors/nurses to overwork/burn-out is that compared to a typical tech job, their work saves human lives. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/4emntv/question_for_er_nurses_from_one_who_is_moving/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/4emntv/question_for...
  - imgabe 11y ago
    There's a number of different certifications a nurse might have, so it's tough to say without knowing if that's for RN/LPN/CNA. $25/hour is ~$50k per year before overtime. But that does sound low compared to some other salaries I've seen in other areas. I think around here it's more like $40+/hr for an RN.
Jtsummers 11y ago
> Work life balance is a propaganda spread by people in tech only. This isn't true, it's not just tech people. A lot of industries suffer from this, especially where there's not a hardline between office and not-office time. Tech (programming and sys admin work in particular) is just particularly easy to carry out the door with you. Literally, with remoting in, or just by the way that these problems can stick in our minds. But I've seen plenty of other people have the same issue in sales, contracting, marketing, pretty much any white collar job that can be carried home and even many blue collar jobs that aren't on shifts where it's easy to say, "1 more hour and I'll be done. 1 more hour and I'll be done." > You should look how hard the doctors and nurses are working in emergency room and getting paid so much less. Hahahaha. Ok, visit the ER in my town where several friends (nurses) quit last year. Three of their number had strokes from the stress of their job. Literally had strokes from the stress. That is not something to aspire to, my friend.

kdamken 11y ago

What a sad way to view life. Doctors and other medical staff are overworked, and that's not a good thing that everyone else should aspire to. Have fun working your way into a heart attack at 45 I guess.

galaktor 11y ago

not to disagree with what you're trying to say, but "it could be worse" isn't a good argument on it's own.

emodendroket 11y ago

If you want to make things more equal, maybe we should improve work for all instead of relentlessly making it worse until everyone is miserable.

imgabe 11y ago

1. Doctors are paid very well. Much better than most tech jobs. Starting salaries after all residences/fellowships are completed and board exams passed are $250k+. Doctors can also moonlight even while in residency (after passing board exams I think) for, from what I've heard, about $1k per 12 hour shift (~$83/hr). 2. Nurses are also pretty well paid and eligible for overtime in most cases. That said, there's a big push lately to limit the number of hours doctors are allowed to work in a row. It was common to pull 36 hour shifts in some cases (with naps/downtime but still in the hospital and on call), but now people are starting to realize that having sleep-deprived people administering medical treatment is not such a good idea.

abawany 11y ago
Re. 2 I learnt to my great astonishment yesterday that that is not necessarily true: ER nurses in Austin are paid $25/hr since the town pretty much has two large conglomerates that manage all healthcare [1]. It really makes one wonder why healthcare is so expensive in this country. My only explanation for the motivation of doctors/nurses to overwork/burn-out is that compared to a typical tech job, their work saves human lives. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/4emntv/question_for_er_nurses_from_one_who_is_moving/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/4emntv/question_for...
- imgabe 11y ago
  There's a number of different certifications a nurse might have, so it's tough to say without knowing if that's for RN/LPN/CNA. $25/hour is ~$50k per year before overtime. But that does sound low compared to some other salaries I've seen in other areas. I think around here it's more like $40+/hr for an RN.

Jtsummers 11y ago

> Work life balance is a propaganda spread by people in tech only. This isn't true, it's not just tech people. A lot of industries suffer from this, especially where there's not a hardline between office and not-office time. Tech (programming and sys admin work in particular) is just particularly easy to carry out the door with you. Literally, with remoting in, or just by the way that these problems can stick in our minds. But I've seen plenty of other people have the same issue in sales, contracting, marketing, pretty much any white collar job that can be carried home and even many blue collar jobs that aren't on shifts where it's easy to say, "1 more hour and I'll be done. 1 more hour and I'll be done." > You should look how hard the doctors and nurses are working in emergency room and getting paid so much less. Hahahaha. Ok, visit the ER in my town where several friends (nurses) quit last year. Three of their number had strokes from the stress of their job. Literally had strokes from the stress. That is not something to aspire to, my friend.