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Defense of King's Landing? You mean the event that everyone immediately dismissed and took credit away from him? How many characters even recall it that way? It

by talmand 11y ago

Defense of King's Landing? You mean the event that everyone immediately dismissed and took credit away from him? How many characters even recall it that way? It was significant at that moment, but dwindled away to next to nothing almost immediately. Other than that one thing, Tyrion has mostly gone along for the ride, which fits his character. As for Stannis being on the Iron Throne, it would makes some things different but it would not make a huge difference in the overall storyline so far as to what's coming. We wouldn't have gotten all the fun stuff with Tyrion's family true, but most of everything else likely would have continued on the same. Just because Stannis would have taken the throne wouldn't mean everything else would suddenly stop or change.

SolarNet 11y ago
But remember what they are saying they are trying to find here is the main character, not the main character in the universe. You actually argue against your own point. You say this is a popularity contest, and then say no one in universe would remember it that way. But if his impact, and hence relationship to the actual story, is what this measures.
- talmand 11y ago
  But I am talking about the story, not the universe. There is no main character to a universe. But I'm not understanding how I'm arguing against my own point, could you elaborate? I'm saying that the chart is an indication of a popularity contest as defined by the rules of the chart. But the rules of the chart does not necessarily follow the rules defined by the story. As for the events that I'm saying the characters don't recall the same as it happened, that's my point that the character did not have that much impact to the overall story because their involvement is forgotten or has been deemed unimportant by the other characters. Therefore, Tyrion's impact has been negligible to the story overall. For the most part, almost all the characters have had very little impact to the story overall; which I find really interesting. They have significant moments that's a huge impact to the characters individually, but may not have much significance to the story as a whole. So far I would say that Littlefinger is the closest to a main character we have with this type of thing in mind. Simply because he has influenced almost everything that has happened so far in some way. Almost all the deaths in the story have had an effect on readers simply because almost all the characters have the same weight (or whatever term) as any other despite their position in the perceived power structure. The story taught us very early that no one is safe, therefore there is no easy choice to be made as to who the hero or villain of the story is. Because so far neither really exists. This is one of the many reasons I find this story so interesting, it doesn't read as your typical hero-vs-villain fantasy story where you can guess the outcome before the end of the second act.
repsilat 11y ago
> would not make a huge difference in the overall storyline so far as to what's coming If you mean Daenerys I mostly agree. Stannis would not recognise her claim, and would fight her invading forces like whoever's left will do. On the other hand, he'd likely have rather more resources to do it with -- an earlier end to the fighting, possibly ending the war with Robb etc etc. If you mean the Walkers, though, I rather disagree. Stannis is about duty, and he knows that defending the wall is a big and important job. Essentially I think the point of most of the action in the books is to leave Westeros as unprepared as possible for the invasions of Dani and the Walkers, and Stannis quickly on the throne means less fighting and dying for everyone.

by talmand 11y ago

SolarNet 11y ago

But remember what they are saying they are trying to find here is the main character, not the main character in the universe. You actually argue against your own point. You say this is a popularity contest, and then say no one in universe would remember it that way. But if his impact, and hence relationship to the actual story, is what this measures.

talmand 11y ago
But I am talking about the story, not the universe. There is no main character to a universe. But I'm not understanding how I'm arguing against my own point, could you elaborate? I'm saying that the chart is an indication of a popularity contest as defined by the rules of the chart. But the rules of the chart does not necessarily follow the rules defined by the story. As for the events that I'm saying the characters don't recall the same as it happened, that's my point that the character did not have that much impact to the overall story because their involvement is forgotten or has been deemed unimportant by the other characters. Therefore, Tyrion's impact has been negligible to the story overall. For the most part, almost all the characters have had very little impact to the story overall; which I find really interesting. They have significant moments that's a huge impact to the characters individually, but may not have much significance to the story as a whole. So far I would say that Littlefinger is the closest to a main character we have with this type of thing in mind. Simply because he has influenced almost everything that has happened so far in some way. Almost all the deaths in the story have had an effect on readers simply because almost all the characters have the same weight (or whatever term) as any other despite their position in the perceived power structure. The story taught us very early that no one is safe, therefore there is no easy choice to be made as to who the hero or villain of the story is. Because so far neither really exists. This is one of the many reasons I find this story so interesting, it doesn't read as your typical hero-vs-villain fantasy story where you can guess the outcome before the end of the second act.

repsilat 11y ago

> would not make a huge difference in the overall storyline so far as to what's coming If you mean Daenerys I mostly agree. Stannis would not recognise her claim, and would fight her invading forces like whoever's left will do. On the other hand, he'd likely have rather more resources to do it with -- an earlier end to the fighting, possibly ending the war with Robb etc etc. If you mean the Walkers, though, I rather disagree. Stannis is about duty, and he knows that defending the wall is a big and important job. Essentially I think the point of most of the action in the books is to leave Westeros as unprepared as possible for the invasions of Dani and the Walkers, and Stannis quickly on the throne means less fighting and dying for everyone.