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> "Today, terrorists and criminals are increasingly using encryption to foil law enforcement efforts, even in the face of a court order." How can you utter tha
by tbrake 11y ago
> "Today, terrorists and criminals are increasingly using encryption to foil law enforcement efforts, even in the face of a court order."
How can you utter that sentence and simultaneously not understand why your bill is effectively worthless for its stated purpose?
- ultramancool 11y agoThese guys just don't get it... they'll come back saying "crooks are dumb" and that's the end of it. I remember this being discussed when Skype went backdoor friendly. They'll catch some even... just no one who knows what they're doing.
- alanwatts 11y ago>How can you utter that sentence and simultaneously not understand why your bill is effectively worthless for its stated purpose? Pious idolization of the State.
- cmdrfred 11y agoIf only we could get a court order to prevent them from making bombs. I would feel oh so much safer!
- bjt2n3904 11y agoWhen encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption.
- exprx 11y ago... but only if they realize to use it. Not to say that I'd approve this farce.
- ythl 11y agoWhen guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
- bjt2n3904 11y agoAha! You caught wind of my subterfuge.
- bossmojoman 11y agoWhen subterfuge is outlawed, only wind will be..... I got nuthin'
- chx 11y agoWhen guns are outlawed, only lawmen and outlaws will have guns. Good. That's the state of affairs in every developed country except one and it's demonstrably better in every way.
- abfan1127 11y agoexcept for all of these demonstrable ways: http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493660 http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/...
- loup-vaillant 11y ago(Dunno what's in the book) I hear hand guns in particular are quite accident prone. Even if there's less crime, we might still have more deaths.
- abfan1127 11y agoI'd check your sources. Hand Guns are no more accident prone than long guns.
- loup-vaillant 11y agoWell, it was hearsay anyway. Not reliable at all.
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- Retric 11y agoNo, when encryption is outlawed, everyone is an outlaw.
- NoGravitas 11y agoWhen encryption is outlawed, ATÝ5Îd}2abJf<²58={d4\!z')E[?Mï¥E
- Lawtonfogle 11y agoJust look at gun control arguments to see why people think outlawing activity will stop criminals.
- studentrob 11y agoGuns are somewhat difficult to produce. This is more akin to knife control.
- brbsix 11y agoNo more difficult to produce than many illicit drugs. Potentially much easier even, with the right parts. Besides, there are plenty of other countries you can smuggle arms into the U.S. from given sufficient demand. Of course the knife analogy is still useful. We all know the futility of outlawing software.
- natch 11y agoAny weapon analogy is bad for our side of the argument, because weapons sound to many people like things that bad people use to do bad things. Yes, I realize that knives are used in kitchens to cut vegetables, but with the way this discussion is rightly framed as a security thing, people are not thinking about kitchens. I would prefer to see lock analogies. Here's a half baked example: This is like a law requiring all builders of buildings to install locks that can be opened by any person who gets access to a copy of a law enforcement key.
- finnn 11y agoYou mean like a Knox Box[0]? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knox_Box https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knox_Box
- lukeschlather 11y agoIt's substantially worse than that. This law makes all unbreakable locks illegal.
- coldpie 11y ago
- anexprogrammer 11y agoIt's what happens when legislators have precisely no domain knowledge. I used to be surprised at the naiveté and ignorance when politicians spoke on topics I knew a little about. I'm too old to be surprised any more.
- TheLogothete 11y agoIt's very ironic that you talk about naiveté. You think legislators do not understand the subject because of what they said? You believe what the politicians say?
- anexprogrammer 11y ago> You think legislators do not understand the subject because of what they said? Depends. Frequently not as can be seen when the policy to achieve "x" does nothing of the sort, loses them the election or becomes some sort of personal vanity thing. Of course it depends on if the views expressed are of the politician or the party after you've attempted to pick out the double meaning. :) > You believe what the politicians say? If it's an independent I might. A party politician of any colour, usually not.