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From speaking to people both 18-35 and in older age brackets, I've actually found it's the opposite - the younger generation is relatively impassioned about sta

From speaking to people both 18-35 and in older age brackets, I've actually found it's the opposite - the younger generation is relatively impassioned about staying (or mostly indifferent but can't really see why we would leave), and older generations are much more on the fence. In fact, I don't know anyone under 35 who is in favour of Brexit. The older generations, however, start talking about their distrust of Europe, of Germany in particular, and seem to have some vestigial jingoistic pride and feel that Britain is still, or at least can be again, a great nation which can manage perfectly well by itself, thank you very much. (Obviously I've not canvassed everyone in Britain - just about ten or fifteen people I know reasonably well.)

s_kilk 11y ago
I've observed the same, it's mostly the late-middle-aged xenophobes who are in favour of leaving.
ed_blackburn 11y ago
This is an exact mirror of my experience. I know one person under 35 wishes to leave. Anyone I speak to over 50 is desperate to leave because they perceive the shared sovereignty as redline that should never be crossed irrespective of the consequences. Nuances between EU, EEC, Council of Europe, European Court of Human Rights and how leaving the EU does not mean extraditing ourselves from the others, thus stymieing the sovereignty issue so that it is mute is completely lost. We may leave the EU and still be subordinate to the other bodies (including most EU rules to maintain trade compatibility) making the entire exercise a dangerous experiment.
- gambiting 11y ago
  One of the things I hate about the "leave" campaign is how it keeps repeating that European Court of Human Rights is a problem for the UK and how somehow leaving EU is going to help. Guess what, leaving EU has no effect on the membership in the European Court of Human Rights, all countries which are part of the Council of Europe, which UK is the member of, will remain in it regardless of their EU membership.
  - devnull791101 11y ago
    Our membership of the ECHR is a condition of being part of the EU. Without the latter the former becomes optional and we can apply or overrule their findings as necessary. Ultimately the British courts should have final ruling in Britain not the ECHR.
    - gambiting 11y ago
      "Ultimately the British courts should have final ruling in Britain not the ECHR." I disagree. ECHR should have the authority to rule against human rights violations in member countries, this extra level of protection is absolutely necessary.

s_kilk 11y ago

I've observed the same, it's mostly the late-middle-aged xenophobes who are in favour of leaving.

ed_blackburn 11y ago

This is an exact mirror of my experience. I know one person under 35 wishes to leave. Anyone I speak to over 50 is desperate to leave because they perceive the shared sovereignty as redline that should never be crossed irrespective of the consequences. Nuances between EU, EEC, Council of Europe, European Court of Human Rights and how leaving the EU does not mean extraditing ourselves from the others, thus stymieing the sovereignty issue so that it is mute is completely lost. We may leave the EU and still be subordinate to the other bodies (including most EU rules to maintain trade compatibility) making the entire exercise a dangerous experiment.

gambiting 11y ago
One of the things I hate about the "leave" campaign is how it keeps repeating that European Court of Human Rights is a problem for the UK and how somehow leaving EU is going to help. Guess what, leaving EU has no effect on the membership in the European Court of Human Rights, all countries which are part of the Council of Europe, which UK is the member of, will remain in it regardless of their EU membership.
- devnull791101 11y ago
  Our membership of the ECHR is a condition of being part of the EU. Without the latter the former becomes optional and we can apply or overrule their findings as necessary. Ultimately the British courts should have final ruling in Britain not the ECHR.
  - gambiting 11y ago
    "Ultimately the British courts should have final ruling in Britain not the ECHR." I disagree. ECHR should have the authority to rule against human rights violations in member countries, this extra level of protection is absolutely necessary.