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I was a happy spacemacs user for a while, but my install kept getting broken by updates. Atom has never just fallen over dead like that. After quite a while it

I was a happy spacemacs user for a while, but my install kept getting broken by updates. Atom has never just fallen over dead like that. After quite a while it was still mysterious to me how to change simple things or to even trace where certain behavior was implemented. (that can be a problem in Atom too). In short: I didn't have the time. I have a lot of work to do, no time to fiddle. I still miss a few things from spacemacs. helm-swoop mode is awesome. That could be done in Atom. I'd like a <SPACE>-x-y command interface for atom. Proton seeks to achieve that: https://github.com/dvcrn/proton https://github.com/dvcrn/proton I'd love to be able to handle panes with the agility of Emacs.

dogweather 11y ago
> panes https://atom.io/packages/atomic-emacs https://atom.io/packages/atomic-emacs
- crucialfelix 11y ago
  I use vim-mode. I do have key commands to move panes around, but it's not as immediate and pleasurable as Emacs or Vim.
ywecur 11y ago
I don't understand your reasoning here. >my install kept getting broken by updates. Atom has never just fallen over dead like that. Could you elaborate on that? This has never happened to me. If this happened because you wrote a bunch of custom layers then I'd argue that it's a non issue because in Atom you cannot do that at all (or at least experience the same problems if you do) >After quite a while it was still mysterious to me how to change simple things or to even trace where certain behavior was implemented. As you stated, the same is true for Atom. >In short: I didn't have the time. I have a lot of work to do, no time to fiddle. Time for what? The superior modification capabilities in Spacemacs by no means force you to fiddle. It seems to me that all your problems were caused due to you not being able to stop yourself to fiddling with the very sane and good defaults. This is similar to the argument I see about people who switch to an iPhone all the time. "I just didn't have time to fiddle. I wanted my phone to just work." So just don't exercise your freedom to fiddle then! The defaults in both cases are just as sane and if you some time in the future need to customize something for the sake of productivity, the you can! Sound to me like somebody moving to China from the US because they "Didn't have time to participate in politics anymore."
- crucialfelix 11y ago
  Uh... additionally I'd like to add that anytime I discuss problems that I had with Spacemacs I was treated to this kind of blaming and argumentative tone.
  - ywecur 11y ago
    Sorry, my intention was to try to help you, not offend you :(

dogweather 11y ago

> panes https://atom.io/packages/atomic-emacs https://atom.io/packages/atomic-emacs

crucialfelix 11y ago
I use vim-mode. I do have key commands to move panes around, but it's not as immediate and pleasurable as Emacs or Vim.

ywecur 11y ago

I don't understand your reasoning here. >my install kept getting broken by updates. Atom has never just fallen over dead like that. Could you elaborate on that? This has never happened to me. If this happened because you wrote a bunch of custom layers then I'd argue that it's a non issue because in Atom you cannot do that at all (or at least experience the same problems if you do) >After quite a while it was still mysterious to me how to change simple things or to even trace where certain behavior was implemented. As you stated, the same is true for Atom. >In short: I didn't have the time. I have a lot of work to do, no time to fiddle. Time for what? The superior modification capabilities in Spacemacs by no means force you to fiddle. It seems to me that all your problems were caused due to you not being able to stop yourself to fiddling with the very sane and good defaults. This is similar to the argument I see about people who switch to an iPhone all the time. "I just didn't have time to fiddle. I wanted my phone to just work." So just don't exercise your freedom to fiddle then! The defaults in both cases are just as sane and if you some time in the future need to customize something for the sake of productivity, the you can! Sound to me like somebody moving to China from the US because they "Didn't have time to participate in politics anymore."

crucialfelix 11y ago
Uh... additionally I'd like to add that anytime I discuss problems that I had with Spacemacs I was treated to this kind of blaming and argumentative tone.
- ywecur 11y ago
  Sorry, my intention was to try to help you, not offend you :(