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Hear, hear. And with the introduction of Adobe XD, Sketch has a rapidly closing window to eliminate the worst bugs. In the last release, I was plagued by one w

Hear, hear. And with the introduction of Adobe XD, Sketch has a rapidly closing window to eliminate the worst bugs. In the last release, I was plagued by one where undo didn't work. Not only did it not work, it randomly shifted layers around the artboard or introduced other glitches into my work. I can't think of many actions that are more automatic than hitting undo — when that essential safety net becomes destructive, it's devastating. Hopefully 3.7 introduces much-needed stability. At the moment, Adobe XD is still new enough that it won't cause a mass exodus. No layers, for example. But a year from now, either Sketch will have worked incredibly hard to retain the users who stayed because there was no alternative, or XD will have matured and eaten their lunch.

vogt 11y ago
I sometimes hide under my desk after hitting command+z. That pinwheel of death is just unacceptable at the rate in which I see it while performing such a critical and rudimentary action. I still couldn't imagine going back to Photoshop, and I found XD unimpressive. As you say, about a year or so will tell.
skeletonjelly 11y ago
Off topic: I can't see Adobe XD without seeing the emoticon
- tcfunk 11y ago
  This :) I haven't ever heard of Adobe XD, so parsing that sentence about it's introduction was difficult
  - demianborba 11y ago
    Hi @tcfunk, feel free to give it a try here: http://adobe.ly/xd http://adobe.ly/xd It's our first public preview (beta 1), so a lot of features are still being developed. Now that the solid foundation is there, you can expect more and more features with our monthly releases. There is a new release now in April. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. @demianborba
greenspot 11y ago
Thanks for the hint to XD, just downloading. Will there also be a Windows version?
- greenspot 11y ago
  Ok, after a really long download and another sign-in into Adobe Cloud a very light app opens with perhaps a fraction of Sketch's features. But maybe I am just used to sketch. Don't think they have any chance against Sketch on OSX, maybe on Windows.
  - Arcanum-XIII 11y ago
    It's a first beta (in the original sense, not the Google one), and it shows. It seen to be a "simple" layout app too, not a total package like Sketch can be. I think we will see a thorough integration with the other app of the Creative Cloud.
  - nkrisc 11y ago
    From what I understand Adobe XD is meant to work in tandem with Photoshop and Illustrator. If you don't use those two program, XD on its own is almost entirely useless (as it stand). I believe they're working to add more features directly into XD. But when I went to check it out a few weeks ago you couldn't even choose a color by hex value. Then I closed it and never opened it again since.
    - demianborba 11y ago
      Sorry to hear that is your impression @nkrisc. You probably tested our Beta 1 (Public Preview) released in March, that is our first beta, so there is a lot to be done. We have a new preview (Public Preview 2) going out in April with a lot more features. And yes, you can expect a tight integration with Photoshop or Illustrator, it's just a matter of copying and pasting items from them to XD. You can even bring content from Sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyoFGyENt3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyoFGyENt3g Looking forward to hearing your thoughts, and please expect a lot more features landing in our monthly releases. This is just the beginning :)
vladdanilov 11y ago
Have a look at AA in Adobe XD first https://twitter.com/vmdanilov/status/712327571116056576 https://twitter.com/vmdanilov/status/712327571116056576.
- shrewduser 11y ago
  that 'correct' one looks the worst.
  - vladdanilov 11y ago
    If you are on hidpi display, zoom to 50%. Also, please don't call it the worst before looking at this version https://twitter.com/vmdanilov/status/717282519356424193 https://twitter.com/vmdanilov/status/717282519356424193.
tobr 11y ago
Fwiw, since we're comparing Sketch with Adobe products, I frequently have very similar undo issues in Photoshop. Parts of the canvas get "stuck" and won't undo. I have not found a way to recover from this - it seems like the history gets permanently corrupted. I know Sketch has frustrating bugs, but I honestly don't think they are any worse or more common than bugs in the Adobe products I use. And Adobe has had much more time and resources to fix these issues. Maybe people are less forgiving of Sketch because it feels like a more lightweight, less complicated product, so you expect it to be bug free?
jbverschoor 11y ago
Wow, that's just a copy of sketch
- theinternetman 11y ago
  To be fair Sketch is just a copy of Fireworks
  - uptown 11y ago
    To be fair, Adobe EOL'd Fireworks.
  - jbverschoor 11y ago
    I never really understood fireworks tbh.
emehrkay 11y ago
*sidenote: Kinda surprised, but not really, that the XD promo video requires Flash. I thought they went full-on HTML video. http://imgur.com/NldV0a0 http://imgur.com/NldV0a0
- demianborba 11y ago
  Hi @emehrkay, you can find more XD videos on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD8AMy73ZVxXvBQcZAnOcu57JCFxLi7bQ https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD8AMy73ZVxXvBQcZAnOc... @demianborba
ryanSrich 11y ago
Eh...Not really. Have you ever opened an Adobe application up on your machine? The next time you do be sure to fire up Activity Monitor and see your CPU light up. I wouldn't touch another Adobe app with a 10ft pole so long as it requires any interaction with CC, and I know many designers in the same boat.
- spdustin 11y ago
  Latest Adobe CC apps have a plugin for browsing a media library that will (on Macs,many Way) eat up CPU like crab legs at a casino buffet. Google "CEPHtmlEngine" and the app you're using and you'll likely find the location so you can rename it, deactivating it.
- demianborba 11y ago
  Sorry to hear that @ryanSrich. We built Adobe XD from the ground up, with a brand new (and fast) rendering engine. You can have hundreds of artboards with no issues whatsoever. Let us know what you think if you have a chance. Thanks, @demianborba

vogt 11y ago

I sometimes hide under my desk after hitting command+z. That pinwheel of death is just unacceptable at the rate in which I see it while performing such a critical and rudimentary action. I still couldn't imagine going back to Photoshop, and I found XD unimpressive. As you say, about a year or so will tell.

skeletonjelly 11y ago

Off topic: I can't see Adobe XD without seeing the emoticon

tcfunk 11y ago
This :) I haven't ever heard of Adobe XD, so parsing that sentence about it's introduction was difficult
- demianborba 11y ago
  Hi @tcfunk, feel free to give it a try here: http://adobe.ly/xd http://adobe.ly/xd It's our first public preview (beta 1), so a lot of features are still being developed. Now that the solid foundation is there, you can expect more and more features with our monthly releases. There is a new release now in April. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. @demianborba

greenspot 11y ago

Thanks for the hint to XD, just downloading. Will there also be a Windows version?

greenspot 11y ago
Ok, after a really long download and another sign-in into Adobe Cloud a very light app opens with perhaps a fraction of Sketch's features. But maybe I am just used to sketch. Don't think they have any chance against Sketch on OSX, maybe on Windows.
- Arcanum-XIII 11y ago
  It's a first beta (in the original sense, not the Google one), and it shows. It seen to be a "simple" layout app too, not a total package like Sketch can be. I think we will see a thorough integration with the other app of the Creative Cloud.
- nkrisc 11y ago
  From what I understand Adobe XD is meant to work in tandem with Photoshop and Illustrator. If you don't use those two program, XD on its own is almost entirely useless (as it stand). I believe they're working to add more features directly into XD. But when I went to check it out a few weeks ago you couldn't even choose a color by hex value. Then I closed it and never opened it again since.
  - demianborba 11y ago
    Sorry to hear that is your impression @nkrisc. You probably tested our Beta 1 (Public Preview) released in March, that is our first beta, so there is a lot to be done. We have a new preview (Public Preview 2) going out in April with a lot more features. And yes, you can expect a tight integration with Photoshop or Illustrator, it's just a matter of copying and pasting items from them to XD. You can even bring content from Sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyoFGyENt3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyoFGyENt3g Looking forward to hearing your thoughts, and please expect a lot more features landing in our monthly releases. This is just the beginning :)

vladdanilov 11y ago

Have a look at AA in Adobe XD first https://twitter.com/vmdanilov/status/712327571116056576 https://twitter.com/vmdanilov/status/712327571116056576.

shrewduser 11y ago
that 'correct' one looks the worst.
- vladdanilov 11y ago
  If you are on hidpi display, zoom to 50%. Also, please don't call it the worst before looking at this version https://twitter.com/vmdanilov/status/717282519356424193 https://twitter.com/vmdanilov/status/717282519356424193.

tobr 11y ago

Fwiw, since we're comparing Sketch with Adobe products, I frequently have very similar undo issues in Photoshop. Parts of the canvas get "stuck" and won't undo. I have not found a way to recover from this - it seems like the history gets permanently corrupted. I know Sketch has frustrating bugs, but I honestly don't think they are any worse or more common than bugs in the Adobe products I use. And Adobe has had much more time and resources to fix these issues. Maybe people are less forgiving of Sketch because it feels like a more lightweight, less complicated product, so you expect it to be bug free?

jbverschoor 11y ago

Wow, that's just a copy of sketch

theinternetman 11y ago
To be fair Sketch is just a copy of Fireworks
- uptown 11y ago
  To be fair, Adobe EOL'd Fireworks.
- jbverschoor 11y ago
  I never really understood fireworks tbh.

emehrkay 11y ago

*sidenote: Kinda surprised, but not really, that the XD promo video requires Flash. I thought they went full-on HTML video. http://imgur.com/NldV0a0 http://imgur.com/NldV0a0

demianborba 11y ago
Hi @emehrkay, you can find more XD videos on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD8AMy73ZVxXvBQcZAnOcu57JCFxLi7bQ https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD8AMy73ZVxXvBQcZAnOc... @demianborba

ryanSrich 11y ago

Eh...Not really. Have you ever opened an Adobe application up on your machine? The next time you do be sure to fire up Activity Monitor and see your CPU light up. I wouldn't touch another Adobe app with a 10ft pole so long as it requires any interaction with CC, and I know many designers in the same boat.

spdustin 11y ago
Latest Adobe CC apps have a plugin for browsing a media library that will (on Macs,many Way) eat up CPU like crab legs at a casino buffet. Google "CEPHtmlEngine" and the app you're using and you'll likely find the location so you can rename it, deactivating it.
demianborba 11y ago
Sorry to hear that @ryanSrich. We built Adobe XD from the ground up, with a brand new (and fast) rendering engine. You can have hundreds of artboards with no issues whatsoever. Let us know what you think if you have a chance. Thanks, @demianborba