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Thanks for this. This seems very plausable. I'm now eating low carb and shuning most vetegable oils. I do use Olive Oil and eat more fish. I use just a litt

by epalmer 11y ago

Thanks for this. This seems very plausable. I'm now eating low carb and shuning most vetegable oils. I do use Olive Oil and eat more fish. I use just a little coconut oil. Lost ~28 lbs and have not been sick at all since going ketonic. Still have to lose more weight. I do eat red meat and chicken, turkey. Cheese is a favorite and my bias is I don't want to have to give up cheese.

codyb 11y ago
I remember reading that cheese (and dairy products) are actually relatively addictive, apparently because of casein. Here's a link, but it's not the original study just an article about it. I'm sure a google search for "casein yale food addiction study" might turn up better results. http://www.independent.co.uk/extras/indybest/food-drink/cheese-triggers-the-same-part-of-brain-as-hard-drugs-study-finds-a6707011.html http://www.independent.co.uk/extras/indybest/food-drink/chee...
- bcheung 11y ago
  That's correct. Cheese has a really high concentration of the casein protein which breaks down into casomorphins in the gut which then act like an opioid. Cheese is also very high in advanced glycation end products (AGEs) which are known to cause aging.
  - epalmer 11y ago
    Great, I will be an old addict to cheese.
pitchka 11y ago
ketogenic diet is a fad. just like any other diet (paleo and other shit). science today can tell you only that you have to eat a variety of foods, not too much or too little, mostly plants. personalized nutrition will be the solution tailored and true, but that takes a lot of resources and currently uninvented tech.
- beachstartup 11y ago
  low carb has been around for decades. it's not a fad, by definition. it's also not a fad just because you're annoyed by it. things that are also not fads but probably also annoy you: yoga, jogging, veganism.
  - pitchka 11y ago
    sorry, it is a fad when you put it under a name of keto, or paleo, and try to scientifically prettify it. funny you should state the following, I practice all three. veganism isn't a diet, it never was. if it killed people to be a vegan it wouldn't fit into the same category as paleo or keto. incomparable. these kinds of diets promote an unhealthy relationship with food (orthorexia). this is not some mumbo-jumbo divine philosphy, it is orthorexic to avoid any food if you have no health reason to do it. one can lose weight eating any kind of foods. avoiding modernity, embracing nature, it's all illogical and unscientific. there's nothing wrong with a hamburger, or a chocolate shake, or apples. sugar never kills anyone, sugar never makes anyone obese. it's excessive carbs, fat and sugar that make anyone fat. try eating more calories than you need on paleo, or keto, you'll get fat. now try to eat less calories, be it fast-food be it anything else, you'll lose weight. that's it. anything more scientific you're stepping into the realm of pseudoscience. what happens most of the time is that people who had unhealthy relationship with food find a new unhealthy relationship, but a much healthier diet and then think it's the all-cure pure-science, when it's just a fad. it's unbelievable that this community believes in fad diets (keto, paleo, lchf, atkins, etc.), that it is afraid of food, afraid of sugar.

by epalmer 11y ago

codyb 11y ago

I remember reading that cheese (and dairy products) are actually relatively addictive, apparently because of casein. Here's a link, but it's not the original study just an article about it. I'm sure a google search for "casein yale food addiction study" might turn up better results. http://www.independent.co.uk/extras/indybest/food-drink/cheese-triggers-the-same-part-of-brain-as-hard-drugs-study-finds-a6707011.html http://www.independent.co.uk/extras/indybest/food-drink/chee...

bcheung 11y ago
That's correct. Cheese has a really high concentration of the casein protein which breaks down into casomorphins in the gut which then act like an opioid. Cheese is also very high in advanced glycation end products (AGEs) which are known to cause aging.
- epalmer 11y ago
  Great, I will be an old addict to cheese.

pitchka 11y ago

ketogenic diet is a fad. just like any other diet (paleo and other shit). science today can tell you only that you have to eat a variety of foods, not too much or too little, mostly plants. personalized nutrition will be the solution tailored and true, but that takes a lot of resources and currently uninvented tech.

beachstartup 11y ago
low carb has been around for decades. it's not a fad, by definition. it's also not a fad just because you're annoyed by it. things that are also not fads but probably also annoy you: yoga, jogging, veganism.
- pitchka 11y ago
  sorry, it is a fad when you put it under a name of keto, or paleo, and try to scientifically prettify it. funny you should state the following, I practice all three. veganism isn't a diet, it never was. if it killed people to be a vegan it wouldn't fit into the same category as paleo or keto. incomparable. these kinds of diets promote an unhealthy relationship with food (orthorexia). this is not some mumbo-jumbo divine philosphy, it is orthorexic to avoid any food if you have no health reason to do it. one can lose weight eating any kind of foods. avoiding modernity, embracing nature, it's all illogical and unscientific. there's nothing wrong with a hamburger, or a chocolate shake, or apples. sugar never kills anyone, sugar never makes anyone obese. it's excessive carbs, fat and sugar that make anyone fat. try eating more calories than you need on paleo, or keto, you'll get fat. now try to eat less calories, be it fast-food be it anything else, you'll lose weight. that's it. anything more scientific you're stepping into the realm of pseudoscience. what happens most of the time is that people who had unhealthy relationship with food find a new unhealthy relationship, but a much healthier diet and then think it's the all-cure pure-science, when it's just a fad. it's unbelievable that this community believes in fad diets (keto, paleo, lchf, atkins, etc.), that it is afraid of food, afraid of sugar.