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Not sure if you're trolling, because that's a pretty ridiculous question. The obvious answer is Atom's immediate usability and the much easier learning curve ov

by levemi 10y ago

Not sure if you're trolling, because that's a pretty ridiculous question. The obvious answer is Atom's immediate usability and the much easier learning curve over Emacs which requires an incredible amount of research and effort to set up properly and use. For example how long do you think it takes for the average new programmer choosing Atom to figure out and learn to use the fuzzy file search versus them getting that working on Emacs? Seconds versus hours I imagine. It took me a non-trivial amount of time to set that up on Emacs.

falcolas 10y ago
> how long do you think it takes for the average new programmer If they're taking advantage of Google, a few seconds for either one. Discoverability in both kinda sucks.
- levemi 10y ago
  It does not take a few seconds to get fuzzy search working on emacs in any shape or form. You have to add an addon like helm or icicles to get anywhere near atom's functionality. And you have to learn how to get addons to work. It works without an add on in Atom, and you don't need to do a Google search to figure it out. I actually hate Atom and I resent you making me defend it. >:|
  - phaer 10y ago
    You could just use something like https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/ https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/ and have working fuzzy-search out of the box (with VIM-like key bindings if you like)
cheez 10y ago
spacemacs bro
ywecur 10y ago
Alright, so say they use Spacemacs (Which really should be the Emacs default). Now how would they justify their choice?
- crucialfelix 10y ago
  I was a happy spacemacs user for a while, but my install kept getting broken by updates. Atom has never just fallen over dead like that. After quite a while it was still mysterious to me how to change simple things or to even trace where certain behavior was implemented. (that can be a problem in Atom too). In short: I didn't have the time. I have a lot of work to do, no time to fiddle. I still miss a few things from spacemacs. helm-swoop mode is awesome. That could be done in Atom. I'd like a <SPACE>-x-y command interface for atom. Proton seeks to achieve that: https://github.com/dvcrn/proton https://github.com/dvcrn/proton I'd love to be able to handle panes with the agility of Emacs.
  - dogweather 10y ago
    > panes https://atom.io/packages/atomic-emacs https://atom.io/packages/atomic-emacs
    - crucialfelix 10y ago
      I use vim-mode. I do have key commands to move panes around, but it's not as immediate and pleasurable as Emacs or Vim.
  - ywecur 10y ago
    I don't understand your reasoning here. >my install kept getting broken by updates. Atom has never just fallen over dead like that. Could you elaborate on that? This has never happened to me. If this happened because you wrote a bunch of custom layers then I'd argue that it's a non issue because in Atom you cannot do that at all (or at least experience the same problems if you do) >After quite a while it was still mysterious to me how to change simple things or to even trace where certain behavior was implemented. As you stated, the same is true for Atom. >In short: I didn't have the time. I have a lot of work to do, no time to fiddle. Time for what? The superior modification capabilities in Spacemacs by no means force you to fiddle. It seems to me that all your problems were caused due to you not being able to stop yourself to fiddling with the very sane and good defaults. This is similar to the argument I see about people who switch to an iPhone all the time. "I just didn't have time to fiddle. I wanted my phone to just work." So just don't exercise your freedom to fiddle then! The defaults in both cases are just as sane and if you some time in the future need to customize something for the sake of productivity, the you can! Sound to me like somebody moving to China from the US because they "Didn't have time to participate in politics anymore."

by levemi 10y ago

falcolas 10y ago

> how long do you think it takes for the average new programmer If they're taking advantage of Google, a few seconds for either one. Discoverability in both kinda sucks.

levemi 10y ago
It does not take a few seconds to get fuzzy search working on emacs in any shape or form. You have to add an addon like helm or icicles to get anywhere near atom's functionality. And you have to learn how to get addons to work. It works without an add on in Atom, and you don't need to do a Google search to figure it out. I actually hate Atom and I resent you making me defend it. >:|
- phaer 10y ago
  You could just use something like https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/ https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/ and have working fuzzy-search out of the box (with VIM-like key bindings if you like)

cheez 10y ago

spacemacs bro

ywecur 10y ago

Alright, so say they use Spacemacs (Which really should be the Emacs default). Now how would they justify their choice?

crucialfelix 10y ago
I was a happy spacemacs user for a while, but my install kept getting broken by updates. Atom has never just fallen over dead like that. After quite a while it was still mysterious to me how to change simple things or to even trace where certain behavior was implemented. (that can be a problem in Atom too). In short: I didn't have the time. I have a lot of work to do, no time to fiddle. I still miss a few things from spacemacs. helm-swoop mode is awesome. That could be done in Atom. I'd like a <SPACE>-x-y command interface for atom. Proton seeks to achieve that: https://github.com/dvcrn/proton https://github.com/dvcrn/proton I'd love to be able to handle panes with the agility of Emacs.
- dogweather 10y ago
  > panes https://atom.io/packages/atomic-emacs https://atom.io/packages/atomic-emacs
  - crucialfelix 10y ago
    I use vim-mode. I do have key commands to move panes around, but it's not as immediate and pleasurable as Emacs or Vim.
- ywecur 10y ago
  I don't understand your reasoning here. >my install kept getting broken by updates. Atom has never just fallen over dead like that. Could you elaborate on that? This has never happened to me. If this happened because you wrote a bunch of custom layers then I'd argue that it's a non issue because in Atom you cannot do that at all (or at least experience the same problems if you do) >After quite a while it was still mysterious to me how to change simple things or to even trace where certain behavior was implemented. As you stated, the same is true for Atom. >In short: I didn't have the time. I have a lot of work to do, no time to fiddle. Time for what? The superior modification capabilities in Spacemacs by no means force you to fiddle. It seems to me that all your problems were caused due to you not being able to stop yourself to fiddling with the very sane and good defaults. This is similar to the argument I see about people who switch to an iPhone all the time. "I just didn't have time to fiddle. I wanted my phone to just work." So just don't exercise your freedom to fiddle then! The defaults in both cases are just as sane and if you some time in the future need to customize something for the sake of productivity, the you can! Sound to me like somebody moving to China from the US because they "Didn't have time to participate in politics anymore."