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Major edit: I was wrong. I've read parts of the report quoted around other places on the internet and now see that it does in fact give large substantiation t

by capote 10y ago

Major edit: I was wrong. I've read parts of the report quoted around other places on the internet and now see that it does in fact give large substantiation to arguments of police being racists. Primarily the statistics having to do with situations that do not involve an arrest because of no wrongdoing found are really irritating.

hackuser 10y ago
> the "report" does not give validation to this Are you talking about the report (have you read it?) or just the newspaper article?
- capote 10y ago
  I haven't read the report. But what can the report possibly say that will survive the "black people commit disproportionately more crime" argument? This is the argument we need to figure out how to combat. No cop is ever going to admit he did something because he's a racist, and that's really the only way to find out if one is racist or not; isn't it?
  - hackuser 10y ago
    > what can the report possibly say that proves there is racism? Systematic racism isn't a novel idea that has been impossible to substantiate, but a widespread, well-documented phenomenon in many different circumstances. Was there systematic racism when blacks weren't allowed in many restaurants and hotels? What if all black prisoners are treated one way and whites another? EDIT: I think my response addresses your updated comment.
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  - jonlucc 10y ago
    If the Ferguson report is any indicator, it will show disproportion at every step, not just at arrest.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      And not just disproportion, there will also be more direct evidence of racist intent as well as disproportionate impact, if the model of Ferguson is repeated.
tysonjennings 10y ago
I think if we want to combat the racism in police departments, we have to stop coming up with phony flimsy statements like this in the news, because this gives opposition to combating racism (from police and racists) arguments to make. Consider furthermore the impact this has on police departments' ability to actually do their jobs. What happens when police hands are tied to the point they can't effectively fight crime? Do people actually think this is going to improve the lives of people in poor high-crime neighborhoods?

by capote 10y ago

hackuser 10y ago

> the "report" does not give validation to this Are you talking about the report (have you read it?) or just the newspaper article?

capote 10y ago
I haven't read the report. But what can the report possibly say that will survive the "black people commit disproportionately more crime" argument? This is the argument we need to figure out how to combat. No cop is ever going to admit he did something because he's a racist, and that's really the only way to find out if one is racist or not; isn't it?
- hackuser 10y ago
  > what can the report possibly say that proves there is racism? Systematic racism isn't a novel idea that has been impossible to substantiate, but a widespread, well-documented phenomenon in many different circumstances. Was there systematic racism when blacks weren't allowed in many restaurants and hotels? What if all black prisoners are treated one way and whites another? EDIT: I think my response addresses your updated comment.
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- jonlucc 10y ago
  If the Ferguson report is any indicator, it will show disproportion at every step, not just at arrest.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    And not just disproportion, there will also be more direct evidence of racist intent as well as disproportionate impact, if the model of Ferguson is repeated.

tysonjennings 10y ago

I think if we want to combat the racism in police departments, we have to stop coming up with phony flimsy statements like this in the news, because this gives opposition to combating racism (from police and racists) arguments to make. Consider furthermore the impact this has on police departments' ability to actually do their jobs. What happens when police hands are tied to the point they can't effectively fight crime? Do people actually think this is going to improve the lives of people in poor high-crime neighborhoods?