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So eating human is OK? Killing humans in order to eat them is OK? What some people are asking is if we should extend this to some other species, typically othe

So eating human is OK? Killing humans in order to eat them is OK? What some people are asking is if we should extend this to some other species, typically other apes (which share 90% of our genes etc...) and now animals with high intelligence (elephant, dolphin, octopus).

kristopolous 11y ago
Our society has decided that there are a number of drastic consequences for cannibalism and murder. If someone honestly was ok with all of them including things like telling the persons' family and spending their life in jail for the cost of a meal, then that's fine. Note that my conditions make people on the hook for everything - the treatment of the workers that prepared the food, the environmental impact of delivering it, the treatment of the animals constituting the food, the health effects of choosing what to eat ... all of that.
- pyre 11y ago
  > If someone honestly was ok with all of them for the cost of a human feast, then that's fine. Would you sing the same tune if you were the one that they wanted to eat?
  - kristopolous 11y ago
    I would be violently opposed to it of course. As I hypothesize is every other animal to their own demise. Maybe there's a moral necessity to veganism.
- Falling3 11y ago
  In what sense is it okay? What does "okay" mean? Responding to an action with a life prison sentence doesn't scream "okay".
  - kristopolous 11y ago
    Clearly. The point is nobody would do that. I think that if someone was forced to have a pet pig for a while they'd probably stop eating pork or if they were forced to be a single mother living on minimum wage they'd probably fight on behalf of fast food workers. My supposition is that people shouldn't voluntarily shroud themselves in ignorance for culinary delight but instead, should take full responsibility for all of their actions, at the dinner table and in all aspects of life.
    - Falling3 11y ago
      >I think that if someone was forced to have a pet pig for a while they'd probably stop eating pork Unfortunately, this is often not the case in my own experience. It certainly does for some people, but that course is by no means universal. And when the well-being of other thinking, feeling individuals is at stake, I'd rather not rely on this kind of approach.
      - ann12345 11y ago
        This really worked in my experience. In my family we often used to eat chicken and while eating them the only thing on mind was how it tasted and how it was cooked etc. Then my parents started rearing some chickens in their backyard. That changed everything. There were about 7 or 8 of them. As the chicks grew up, they could identify each of them and know about individual treats. They would call some of them by names and slowly their nature was becoming more evident. They still eat eggs but they eat chicken meat rarely at some social event. They cannot even think about killing one of the chickens that they have. Its just emotionally too painful for just food! This really works i think. But you have to rear them in small numbers to get connected to animals and then observe the changes in your thinking. You may still have them for food but it would be a conscious decision which you would not take lightly, like considering it as some food lying around.
        dorfsmay 11y ago
        Small farm operations, including rearing a few animals for food, used to be the norm, and still is in some countries.
- dorfsmay 11y ago
  This is a cop out... Would you be ok with changing legislation so that it is ok to kill humans as long as it is to eat them. This is what people are discussing here, should we legislate against killilling animals with "high intelligence" and those who share more genes with us than with any other animal, as long as it is for food?
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  - kristopolous 11y ago
    No of course not. The positions I outlined are my justification for my personal goals of radical sustainability and veganism. I understand when people aren't like me so long as they are OK with the full duty cycle of their personal decisions

kristopolous 11y ago

Our society has decided that there are a number of drastic consequences for cannibalism and murder. If someone honestly was ok with all of them including things like telling the persons' family and spending their life in jail for the cost of a meal, then that's fine. Note that my conditions make people on the hook for everything - the treatment of the workers that prepared the food, the environmental impact of delivering it, the treatment of the animals constituting the food, the health effects of choosing what to eat ... all of that.

pyre 11y ago
> If someone honestly was ok with all of them for the cost of a human feast, then that's fine. Would you sing the same tune if you were the one that they wanted to eat?
- kristopolous 11y ago
  I would be violently opposed to it of course. As I hypothesize is every other animal to their own demise. Maybe there's a moral necessity to veganism.
Falling3 11y ago
In what sense is it okay? What does "okay" mean? Responding to an action with a life prison sentence doesn't scream "okay".
- kristopolous 11y ago
  Clearly. The point is nobody would do that. I think that if someone was forced to have a pet pig for a while they'd probably stop eating pork or if they were forced to be a single mother living on minimum wage they'd probably fight on behalf of fast food workers. My supposition is that people shouldn't voluntarily shroud themselves in ignorance for culinary delight but instead, should take full responsibility for all of their actions, at the dinner table and in all aspects of life.
  - Falling3 11y ago
    >I think that if someone was forced to have a pet pig for a while they'd probably stop eating pork Unfortunately, this is often not the case in my own experience. It certainly does for some people, but that course is by no means universal. And when the well-being of other thinking, feeling individuals is at stake, I'd rather not rely on this kind of approach.
    - ann12345 11y ago
      This really worked in my experience. In my family we often used to eat chicken and while eating them the only thing on mind was how it tasted and how it was cooked etc. Then my parents started rearing some chickens in their backyard. That changed everything. There were about 7 or 8 of them. As the chicks grew up, they could identify each of them and know about individual treats. They would call some of them by names and slowly their nature was becoming more evident. They still eat eggs but they eat chicken meat rarely at some social event. They cannot even think about killing one of the chickens that they have. Its just emotionally too painful for just food! This really works i think. But you have to rear them in small numbers to get connected to animals and then observe the changes in your thinking. You may still have them for food but it would be a conscious decision which you would not take lightly, like considering it as some food lying around.
      - dorfsmay 11y ago
        Small farm operations, including rearing a few animals for food, used to be the norm, and still is in some countries.
dorfsmay 11y ago
This is a cop out... Would you be ok with changing legislation so that it is ok to kill humans as long as it is to eat them. This is what people are discussing here, should we legislate against killilling animals with "high intelligence" and those who share more genes with us than with any other animal, as long as it is for food?
- deleted 11y ago
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- kristopolous 11y ago
  No of course not. The positions I outlined are my justification for my personal goals of radical sustainability and veganism. I understand when people aren't like me so long as they are OK with the full duty cycle of their personal decisions