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Fedora has a lot less packages then Ubuntu, enough that it makes a difference. I'm sure I could manage but it'd be very painful for my wife and kids, and I like

Fedora has a lot less packages then Ubuntu, enough that it makes a difference. I'm sure I could manage but it'd be very painful for my wife and kids, and I like to dog-food the systems they use.

sandGorgon 11y ago
Im kind of surprised why this perception exists, when most of the kernel/Gnome/systemd/driver developers are actually employed by Redhat. Canonical actually employs very few people. Redhat is the largest Linux company out there and the only thing it probably does is ensure software is well supported. I ran Ubuntu for 10 years before switching to Fedora on my laptop. And I have been blown away.
- digi_owl 11y ago
  define "well supported". Right now what i am seeing is them locking Linux to their way of doing things, and you either adopt to that or is shown the highway. Linux used to be flexible, allowing different people to shape it to do different tasks. But more and more you are met with "why would you do that?!" and "you are doing/holding it wrong!" when you present your use case.
  - sandGorgon 11y ago
    Linux is still flexible. I am willing to pay for an OS that just works and I will accept a fair amount of opinionated software (like systemd or Ubuntu's snappy package format) if that makes it happen. I am a consumer who wants an OSX experience in the Linux world. And there are millions out there like me. Am I forcing you to buy in ? not at all - the beauty of Linux is that you can use LFS, Gentoo or Arch which allows you to customize and play with your particular set of philosophies. Not all opinionated software is malicious - at the end of the day, software is merely an expression of the person and their beliefs. And sometimes they just want to believe in one thing.
    - digi_owl 11y ago
      LFS sure (though it is really going back to first principles), Gentoo at least for now (some there seem insistent on turning OpenRC into a Systemd clone), but Arch?! The distro that went systemd by "executive" decree, and basically pulled the "deal with it" meme as a response to complaints? And frankly recent history at both LFS and Gentoo shows how nasty systemd is. Gentoo forked udev to eudev, and LFS later adopted eudev, because after udev got merged with systemd every systemd release changed how to extract udev from the larger code blob. Heck, LFS now have effectively split in two. They are maintaining one document for "classic" Linux, and one for systemd Linux.

Fedora has a lot less packages then Ubuntu, enough that it makes a difference. I'm sure I could manage but it'd be very painful for my wife and kids, and I like to dog-food the systems they use.

sandGorgon 11y ago

Im kind of surprised why this perception exists, when most of the kernel/Gnome/systemd/driver developers are actually employed by Redhat. Canonical actually employs very few people. Redhat is the largest Linux company out there and the only thing it probably does is ensure software is well supported. I ran Ubuntu for 10 years before switching to Fedora on my laptop. And I have been blown away.

digi_owl 11y ago
define "well supported". Right now what i am seeing is them locking Linux to their way of doing things, and you either adopt to that or is shown the highway. Linux used to be flexible, allowing different people to shape it to do different tasks. But more and more you are met with "why would you do that?!" and "you are doing/holding it wrong!" when you present your use case.
- sandGorgon 11y ago
  Linux is still flexible. I am willing to pay for an OS that just works and I will accept a fair amount of opinionated software (like systemd or Ubuntu's snappy package format) if that makes it happen. I am a consumer who wants an OSX experience in the Linux world. And there are millions out there like me. Am I forcing you to buy in ? not at all - the beauty of Linux is that you can use LFS, Gentoo or Arch which allows you to customize and play with your particular set of philosophies. Not all opinionated software is malicious - at the end of the day, software is merely an expression of the person and their beliefs. And sometimes they just want to believe in one thing.
  - digi_owl 11y ago
    LFS sure (though it is really going back to first principles), Gentoo at least for now (some there seem insistent on turning OpenRC into a Systemd clone), but Arch?! The distro that went systemd by "executive" decree, and basically pulled the "deal with it" meme as a response to complaints? And frankly recent history at both LFS and Gentoo shows how nasty systemd is. Gentoo forked udev to eudev, and LFS later adopted eudev, because after udev got merged with systemd every systemd release changed how to extract udev from the larger code blob. Heck, LFS now have effectively split in two. They are maintaining one document for "classic" Linux, and one for systemd Linux.