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Are you aware of Ubuntu Gnome: https://ubuntugnome.org/ https://ubuntugnome.org/

dkuntz2 11y ago
Ubuntu Gnome is my suggestion to people who want to try out Linux because it has most of the Ubuntu ease, but none of the Unity bloat.
sandGorgon 11y ago
Actually I would recommend Fedora 23 if ur on the Gnome bandwagon. It runs bleeding edge Gnome and is spectacular.
- dkuntz2 11y ago
  For my personal installs I just run Arch with the latest version of Gnome stable. The reason I still suggest an Ubuntu derivative is because it's really easy to find instructions on how to do something, and their still mostly the same. I don't know if the same is true for Fedora just because I haven't used it before and encountered the same googling problems. Of course, this may be a bad thing, because the number of wrong answers, or unanswered questions out there.
- dorfsmay 11y ago
  Fedora has a lot less packages then Ubuntu, enough that it makes a difference. I'm sure I could manage but it'd be very painful for my wife and kids, and I like to dog-food the systems they use.
  - sandGorgon 11y ago
    Im kind of surprised why this perception exists, when most of the kernel/Gnome/systemd/driver developers are actually employed by Redhat. Canonical actually employs very few people. Redhat is the largest Linux company out there and the only thing it probably does is ensure software is well supported. I ran Ubuntu for 10 years before switching to Fedora on my laptop. And I have been blown away.
    - digi_owl 11y ago
      define "well supported". Right now what i am seeing is them locking Linux to their way of doing things, and you either adopt to that or is shown the highway. Linux used to be flexible, allowing different people to shape it to do different tasks. But more and more you are met with "why would you do that?!" and "you are doing/holding it wrong!" when you present your use case.
      - sandGorgon 11y ago
        Linux is still flexible. I am willing to pay for an OS that just works and I will accept a fair amount of opinionated software (like systemd or Ubuntu's snappy package format) if that makes it happen. I am a consumer who wants an OSX experience in the Linux world. And there are millions out there like me. Am I forcing you to buy in ? not at all - the beauty of Linux is that you can use LFS, Gentoo or Arch which allows you to customize and play with your particular set of philosophies. Not all opinionated software is malicious - at the end of the day, software is merely an expression of the person and their beliefs. And sometimes they just want to believe in one thing.
        digi_owl 11y ago
        LFS sure (though it is really going back to first principles), Gentoo at least for now (some there seem insistent on turning OpenRC into a Systemd clone), but Arch?! The distro that went systemd by "executive" decree, and basically pulled the "deal with it" meme as a response to complaints? And frankly recent history at both LFS and Gentoo shows how nasty systemd is. Gentoo forked udev to eudev, and LFS later adopted eudev, because after udev got merged with systemd every systemd release changed how to extract udev from the larger code blob. Heck, LFS now have effectively split in two. They are maintaining one document for "classic" Linux, and one for systemd Linux.
harel 11y ago
I have always installed the regular Ubuntu as step 1, and gnome 3 as step 2. Is the a benefit to using Ubuntu gnome over this method?
- dkuntz2 11y ago
  I think so, because they use stock gnome apps, Ubuntu + Gnome will keep the Unity forked versions of Gnome apps (iirc, I haven't gone this route in ~4 years, right). Plus its one less step, and if I'm trying to get someone to switch to linux, I don't want to let them even try to use Unity because, despite how pretty it is, it's just so slow.
  - harel 11y ago
    For me it's the hassle of a clean install vs an upgrade.
    - dkuntz2 11y ago
      I don't follow that at all.
    - harel 11y ago
      I mean, I already use Ubuntu 14.04 as a standard install with Gnome 3 setup. It would be a hassle to do a clean install, setup my dev environments, apps etc. if i was to install ubuntugnome from scratch. But as soon as a clean install opportunity arises, I'll do that.
- dorfsmay 11y ago
  I've run in many issues with trying this especially after upgrades, it also makes for a bloated install.

Ubuntu Gnome is my suggestion to people who want to try out Linux because it has most of the Ubuntu ease, but none of the Unity bloat.

sandGorgon 11y ago

Actually I would recommend Fedora 23 if ur on the Gnome bandwagon. It runs bleeding edge Gnome and is spectacular.

dkuntz2 11y ago
For my personal installs I just run Arch with the latest version of Gnome stable. The reason I still suggest an Ubuntu derivative is because it's really easy to find instructions on how to do something, and their still mostly the same. I don't know if the same is true for Fedora just because I haven't used it before and encountered the same googling problems. Of course, this may be a bad thing, because the number of wrong answers, or unanswered questions out there.
dorfsmay 11y ago
Fedora has a lot less packages then Ubuntu, enough that it makes a difference. I'm sure I could manage but it'd be very painful for my wife and kids, and I like to dog-food the systems they use.
- sandGorgon 11y ago
  Im kind of surprised why this perception exists, when most of the kernel/Gnome/systemd/driver developers are actually employed by Redhat. Canonical actually employs very few people. Redhat is the largest Linux company out there and the only thing it probably does is ensure software is well supported. I ran Ubuntu for 10 years before switching to Fedora on my laptop. And I have been blown away.
  - digi_owl 11y ago
    define "well supported". Right now what i am seeing is them locking Linux to their way of doing things, and you either adopt to that or is shown the highway. Linux used to be flexible, allowing different people to shape it to do different tasks. But more and more you are met with "why would you do that?!" and "you are doing/holding it wrong!" when you present your use case.
    - sandGorgon 11y ago
      Linux is still flexible. I am willing to pay for an OS that just works and I will accept a fair amount of opinionated software (like systemd or Ubuntu's snappy package format) if that makes it happen. I am a consumer who wants an OSX experience in the Linux world. And there are millions out there like me. Am I forcing you to buy in ? not at all - the beauty of Linux is that you can use LFS, Gentoo or Arch which allows you to customize and play with your particular set of philosophies. Not all opinionated software is malicious - at the end of the day, software is merely an expression of the person and their beliefs. And sometimes they just want to believe in one thing.
      - digi_owl 11y ago
        LFS sure (though it is really going back to first principles), Gentoo at least for now (some there seem insistent on turning OpenRC into a Systemd clone), but Arch?! The distro that went systemd by "executive" decree, and basically pulled the "deal with it" meme as a response to complaints? And frankly recent history at both LFS and Gentoo shows how nasty systemd is. Gentoo forked udev to eudev, and LFS later adopted eudev, because after udev got merged with systemd every systemd release changed how to extract udev from the larger code blob. Heck, LFS now have effectively split in two. They are maintaining one document for "classic" Linux, and one for systemd Linux.

harel 11y ago

I have always installed the regular Ubuntu as step 1, and gnome 3 as step 2. Is the a benefit to using Ubuntu gnome over this method?

dkuntz2 11y ago
I think so, because they use stock gnome apps, Ubuntu + Gnome will keep the Unity forked versions of Gnome apps (iirc, I haven't gone this route in ~4 years, right). Plus its one less step, and if I'm trying to get someone to switch to linux, I don't want to let them even try to use Unity because, despite how pretty it is, it's just so slow.
- harel 11y ago
  For me it's the hassle of a clean install vs an upgrade.
  - dkuntz2 11y ago
    I don't follow that at all.
  - harel 11y ago
    I mean, I already use Ubuntu 14.04 as a standard install with Gnome 3 setup. It would be a hassle to do a clean install, setup my dev environments, apps etc. if i was to install ubuntugnome from scratch. But as soon as a clean install opportunity arises, I'll do that.
dorfsmay 11y ago
I've run in many issues with trying this especially after upgrades, it also makes for a bloated install.