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Not that it's any more legal or ethical, but there's a large difference in perception between stealing content from large companies (media companies) to rehost

by jonlucc 10y ago

Not that it's any more legal or ethical, but there's a large difference in perception between stealing content from large companies (media companies) to rehost on a free platform and stealing from starving artists and claiming it as your own. It is my understanding that YouTube grew largely by the former.

brokentone 10y ago
FB also seems to be a bit of the former. Here (https://www.facebook.com/GoodMorningAmerica/videos/10153372841517061/ https://www.facebook.com/GoodMorningAmerica/videos/101533728...) is an anecdotal clip that ABC/GMA stole from this guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU13ByIYkew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU13ByIYkew) with no credit, they flipped, and re-watermarked his video. They got 22mm views on something the author only has 0.5mm views. Terrible ABC, terrible.
- deathhand 10y ago
  There needs to be CRC/SHA for video. Once that is figured out identifying these sorts of things will be trivial. I would in fact pay someone to develop this as I think it is something humanity needs. Or I could pivot it into a startup and offer content creators a "safe harbor" to let them know whenever their stuff has been pirated.
  - nekopa 10y ago
    Isn't this what YouTube calls content ID? They alert you that your content is up somewhere, then you have the option of monetizing it, or having it taken down.
    - deathhand 10y ago
      Uh interesting but sadly it doesn't look like it is open for all: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1311402 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1311402
    - roywiggins 10y ago
      Not quite trivial: people can crop, skew, vignette, mirror, timestretch and scale video to try to defeat it. YouTube's Content ID seems to be vulnerable to this sort of thing still.
      - x0x0 10y ago
        I think that's why many of these systems focus on audio. It's harder to change in a way that beats fingerprinting but doesn't ruin the viewing experience.
      - izelpii 10y ago
        I think the majority of the cases are uploaders that basically post the same content.
    - izelpii 10y ago
      ContentID is limited to few companies. It requires training, is not multi platform, and doesn't stop freebooting.
  - thatoneguy 10y ago
    YouTube already has Content ID and it's by no means perfect.
  - r721 10y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_video_fingerprinting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_video_fingerprinting
- obituary_latte 10y ago
  It's possible ABC licensed it from him. There is a link in the description to license the vid.

by jonlucc 10y ago

brokentone 10y ago

FB also seems to be a bit of the former. Here (https://www.facebook.com/GoodMorningAmerica/videos/10153372841517061/ https://www.facebook.com/GoodMorningAmerica/videos/101533728...) is an anecdotal clip that ABC/GMA stole from this guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU13ByIYkew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU13ByIYkew) with no credit, they flipped, and re-watermarked his video. They got 22mm views on something the author only has 0.5mm views. Terrible ABC, terrible.

deathhand 10y ago
There needs to be CRC/SHA for video. Once that is figured out identifying these sorts of things will be trivial. I would in fact pay someone to develop this as I think it is something humanity needs. Or I could pivot it into a startup and offer content creators a "safe harbor" to let them know whenever their stuff has been pirated.
- nekopa 10y ago
  Isn't this what YouTube calls content ID? They alert you that your content is up somewhere, then you have the option of monetizing it, or having it taken down.
  - deathhand 10y ago
    Uh interesting but sadly it doesn't look like it is open for all: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1311402 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1311402
  - roywiggins 10y ago
    Not quite trivial: people can crop, skew, vignette, mirror, timestretch and scale video to try to defeat it. YouTube's Content ID seems to be vulnerable to this sort of thing still.
    - x0x0 10y ago
      I think that's why many of these systems focus on audio. It's harder to change in a way that beats fingerprinting but doesn't ruin the viewing experience.
    - izelpii 10y ago
      I think the majority of the cases are uploaders that basically post the same content.
  - izelpii 10y ago
    ContentID is limited to few companies. It requires training, is not multi platform, and doesn't stop freebooting.
- thatoneguy 10y ago
  YouTube already has Content ID and it's by no means perfect.
- r721 10y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_video_fingerprinting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_video_fingerprinting
obituary_latte 10y ago
It's possible ABC licensed it from him. There is a link in the description to license the vid.