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Ripped content - It's what made YouTube grow and what made FB Video grow. FB is taking steps to crack down on copyright theft now that the video platform is la

Ripped content - It's what made YouTube grow and what made FB Video grow. FB is taking steps to crack down on copyright theft now that the video platform is large enough (just like what YouTube did).

samstave 10y ago
So... Hypocrisy?
- chinathrow 10y ago
  Well planned stages, I'd say.
- untothebreach 10y ago
  yes, but in this context it's called "capitalism"
  - TheLogothete 10y ago
    Nobody said capitalism is without faults. It's just the only realistic option.
- magicalist 10y ago
  > So... Hypocrisy? on who's part? Did I miss an outraged lawsuit coming out of Youtube over freebooted videos?
jonlucc 10y ago
Not that it's any more legal or ethical, but there's a large difference in perception between stealing content from large companies (media companies) to rehost on a free platform and stealing from starving artists and claiming it as your own. It is my understanding that YouTube grew largely by the former.
- brokentone 10y ago
  FB also seems to be a bit of the former. Here (https://www.facebook.com/GoodMorningAmerica/videos/10153372841517061/ https://www.facebook.com/GoodMorningAmerica/videos/101533728...) is an anecdotal clip that ABC/GMA stole from this guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU13ByIYkew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU13ByIYkew) with no credit, they flipped, and re-watermarked his video. They got 22mm views on something the author only has 0.5mm views. Terrible ABC, terrible.
  - deathhand 10y ago
    There needs to be CRC/SHA for video. Once that is figured out identifying these sorts of things will be trivial. I would in fact pay someone to develop this as I think it is something humanity needs. Or I could pivot it into a startup and offer content creators a "safe harbor" to let them know whenever their stuff has been pirated.
    - nekopa 10y ago
      Isn't this what YouTube calls content ID? They alert you that your content is up somewhere, then you have the option of monetizing it, or having it taken down.
      - deathhand 10y ago
        Uh interesting but sadly it doesn't look like it is open for all: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1311402 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1311402
      - roywiggins 10y ago
        Not quite trivial: people can crop, skew, vignette, mirror, timestretch and scale video to try to defeat it. YouTube's Content ID seems to be vulnerable to this sort of thing still.
        x0x0 10y ago
anaolykarpov 10y ago
Is it time for another video hosting platform to use this strategy and become big? Sounds like a winning tactic
darkclarity 10y ago
Pretty standard modus operandi for technology start-ups, 'disrupt' the scene (AKA enable illegal/unlawful/unethical things). Then years later, officially notice you've been turning a blind eye and provide tools to discourage it.
superuser2 10y ago
There's a significant difference between hosting old-media content in a discoverable way on the internet for the first time (i.e. TV and movie clips off your DVD collection) and re-hosting internet-native content under your own account. The former actually provides a service: I like to be able to show people and revisit funny scenes from i.e. West Wing episodes, and often that prompts me to go re-watch the episode from a legitimate source. The latter has no net gain for the user over just linking, but screws over the OP.
yeukhon 10y ago
YouTube has content manager. Unless conflict is resolved, YT video revenue will be blocked.
skynetv2 10y ago
fb did nothing about content ripped from YT and posted on FB. There are a few high profile FB users who only rip video from YT and post on FB. FB did nothing and YT didnt care at all. so this is definitely a step in the right direction.

Ripped content - It's what made YouTube grow and what made FB Video grow. FB is taking steps to crack down on copyright theft now that the video platform is large enough (just like what YouTube did).

samstave 10y ago

So... Hypocrisy?

chinathrow 10y ago
Well planned stages, I'd say.
untothebreach 10y ago
yes, but in this context it's called "capitalism"
- TheLogothete 10y ago
  Nobody said capitalism is without faults. It's just the only realistic option.
magicalist 10y ago
> So... Hypocrisy? on who's part? Did I miss an outraged lawsuit coming out of Youtube over freebooted videos?

jonlucc 10y ago

Not that it's any more legal or ethical, but there's a large difference in perception between stealing content from large companies (media companies) to rehost on a free platform and stealing from starving artists and claiming it as your own. It is my understanding that YouTube grew largely by the former.

brokentone 10y ago
FB also seems to be a bit of the former. Here (https://www.facebook.com/GoodMorningAmerica/videos/10153372841517061/ https://www.facebook.com/GoodMorningAmerica/videos/101533728...) is an anecdotal clip that ABC/GMA stole from this guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU13ByIYkew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU13ByIYkew) with no credit, they flipped, and re-watermarked his video. They got 22mm views on something the author only has 0.5mm views. Terrible ABC, terrible.
- deathhand 10y ago
  There needs to be CRC/SHA for video. Once that is figured out identifying these sorts of things will be trivial. I would in fact pay someone to develop this as I think it is something humanity needs. Or I could pivot it into a startup and offer content creators a "safe harbor" to let them know whenever their stuff has been pirated.
  - nekopa 10y ago
    Isn't this what YouTube calls content ID? They alert you that your content is up somewhere, then you have the option of monetizing it, or having it taken down.
    - deathhand 10y ago
      Uh interesting but sadly it doesn't look like it is open for all: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1311402 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1311402
    - roywiggins 10y ago
      Not quite trivial: people can crop, skew, vignette, mirror, timestretch and scale video to try to defeat it. YouTube's Content ID seems to be vulnerable to this sort of thing still.
      - x0x0 10y ago

anaolykarpov 10y ago

Is it time for another video hosting platform to use this strategy and become big? Sounds like a winning tactic

darkclarity 10y ago

Pretty standard modus operandi for technology start-ups, 'disrupt' the scene (AKA enable illegal/unlawful/unethical things). Then years later, officially notice you've been turning a blind eye and provide tools to discourage it.

superuser2 10y ago

There's a significant difference between hosting old-media content in a discoverable way on the internet for the first time (i.e. TV and movie clips off your DVD collection) and re-hosting internet-native content under your own account. The former actually provides a service: I like to be able to show people and revisit funny scenes from i.e. West Wing episodes, and often that prompts me to go re-watch the episode from a legitimate source. The latter has no net gain for the user over just linking, but screws over the OP.

yeukhon 10y ago

YouTube has content manager. Unless conflict is resolved, YT video revenue will be blocked.

skynetv2 10y ago

fb did nothing about content ripped from YT and posted on FB. There are a few high profile FB users who only rip video from YT and post on FB. FB did nothing and YT didnt care at all. so this is definitely a step in the right direction.