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I have a better question. Will those tools be still used in 40 years? And what modern tools will be used after that time?

by akerro 11y ago

hack_edu 11y ago
As long a there are keyboards, there will be Vim.
- exception_e 11y ago
  This is the most beautiful thing I've read all day.
Ericson2314 11y ago
Let's hope not.
- Ericson2314 11y ago
  Hey, why the downvote? I respect the good work that has been put into emacs and vim over the decades, and the good kick-in-the-but that spacemacs and neovim provide too. That said, programing via editing text is a completely primitive method, and I hope things like http://unisonweb.org/ http://unisonweb.org/ will replace it. Even if one is not on-board the structured editing concept, with so much changing about the way we use computers and the software we run on time, the fact that our development methods have changed far less is quite anomalous and deserves critique.
  - ubercow 11y ago
    I use these editors for so much more than programming. I'll often have a buffer open just for scratch notes and org-mode for my todo lists. I've written papers for school using LaTeX in emacs too. If you're editing a lisp in emacs, you can already get halfway there with plugins like paredit or smartparens. You are pretty much editing the AST at that point.
    - Ericson2314 11y ago
      Paredit is a textbook leaky abstraction. I find the experience very jank because of it.
      - pvinis 11y ago
        how so?
  - twblalock 11y ago
    I like the idea that people who want to use things will be able to continue using them in the future. Nobody is forcing you to use them.
    - Ericson2314 11y ago
      Of course I don't want to actually force people to change---that would be a very hollow sign of progress indeed! The hope is something else become vastly more common without anybody being coerced. Today's IDEs are clearly not superior in all respects, or emacs and vim wouldn't have the usage they do. I hope whatever comes next can be more uniformly better.
  - ddacunha 11y ago
    I think the down vote is that we see your comment as: "vim & emacs are glorified notepads". At least that is what went thru my head. But they are so much more than a way to type text, with emacs (which I don't grok) I manage my emails archive via gnus/mu/Maildir. Or do "Literal DevOps", check this out for something that still blows my mind with awesomeness: http://howardism.org/Technical/Emacs/literate-devops.html http://howardism.org/Technical/Emacs/literate-devops.html

I have a better question. Will those tools be still used in 40 years? And what modern tools will be used after that time?

by akerro 11y ago

I have a better question. Will those tools be still used in 40 years? And what modern tools will be used after that time?

hack_edu 11y ago

As long a there are keyboards, there will be Vim.

exception_e 11y ago
This is the most beautiful thing I've read all day.

Ericson2314 11y ago

Let's hope not.

Ericson2314 11y ago
Hey, why the downvote? I respect the good work that has been put into emacs and vim over the decades, and the good kick-in-the-but that spacemacs and neovim provide too. That said, programing via editing text is a completely primitive method, and I hope things like http://unisonweb.org/ http://unisonweb.org/ will replace it. Even if one is not on-board the structured editing concept, with so much changing about the way we use computers and the software we run on time, the fact that our development methods have changed far less is quite anomalous and deserves critique.
- ubercow 11y ago
  I use these editors for so much more than programming. I'll often have a buffer open just for scratch notes and org-mode for my todo lists. I've written papers for school using LaTeX in emacs too. If you're editing a lisp in emacs, you can already get halfway there with plugins like paredit or smartparens. You are pretty much editing the AST at that point.
  - Ericson2314 11y ago
    Paredit is a textbook leaky abstraction. I find the experience very jank because of it.
    - pvinis 11y ago
      how so?
- twblalock 11y ago
  I like the idea that people who want to use things will be able to continue using them in the future. Nobody is forcing you to use them.
  - Ericson2314 11y ago
    Of course I don't want to actually force people to change---that would be a very hollow sign of progress indeed! The hope is something else become vastly more common without anybody being coerced. Today's IDEs are clearly not superior in all respects, or emacs and vim wouldn't have the usage they do. I hope whatever comes next can be more uniformly better.
- ddacunha 11y ago
  I think the down vote is that we see your comment as: "vim & emacs are glorified notepads". At least that is what went thru my head. But they are so much more than a way to type text, with emacs (which I don't grok) I manage my emails archive via gnus/mu/Maildir. Or do "Literal DevOps", check this out for something that still blows my mind with awesomeness: http://howardism.org/Technical/Emacs/literate-devops.html http://howardism.org/Technical/Emacs/literate-devops.html