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From what this initial view of Vim 8.0 looks, it actually went in the direction of Neovim, the asynchronous inner works were what made me try Neovim in the 1st

From what this initial view of Vim 8.0 looks, it actually went in the direction of Neovim, the asynchronous inner works were what made me try Neovim in the 1st place. Now, from what I can understand, Neovim only has two advantages, a cleaner code trough re-writing (it's debatable if that's really an advantage) and the ability of using other languages for plugins (which seems clearly and advantage due to the lacking features of VimScript). All in all, it's a nice step forward for Vim.

majewsky 11y ago
Neovim also has the terminal buffers, which Vim has explicitly stated to never add. (Source: Somewhere in :help, but unfortunately I can't find it right now.)
- jbmorgado 11y ago
  Well, from my previous not great experience with terminal inside Emacs I don't really need that. I would be much happier if Emacs and Vim just had correct color support in the console so that I could use both from the console in a Tmux terminal and have a real terminal open side-by-side with the editor. I can do that in Vim nicely after hacking the console colors, and Neovim without having to care about the colors and in Emacs it remains impossible.
  - saturn_vk 11y ago
    I don't personally use the terminal support. Except it turns out that I actually did, implicitly. I use fzf for opening files, and I noticed recently that it's not actually 'integrated' into neovim, it just spawns within its terminal emulator. I tried fzf in vim, and the result was less than satisfactory, to say the least.
    - nickysielicki 11y ago
      <rant> I tried fzf after thinking it was just a vim plugin and the install-process immediately drove me away. Don't edit my dotfiles and change my $PATH with your installer. That shouldn't ever have to be said. </rant>
      - kroeber 11y ago
        There's an option: ./install --no-update-rc
  - justinmk 11y ago
    > from my previous not great experience with terminal inside Emacs :terminal in Neovim works very well. > if Emacs and Vim just had correct color support in the console Neovim supports true color in terminals that support it.
Spiritus 11y ago
Don't forget true color support for those sweet colorschemes!
- jbmorgado 11y ago
  True, forgot that one and it's really cool to be able to use Neovim in the console without breaking my head over the colorscheme. It's a very overlooked feature that has a great positive impact in usability. Been talking in a bug thread spacemacs about this same problem for months and there is still no solution to be seen.
- kps 11y ago
  Yeah, it would be nice if vim supported that natively, but it's possible to work around. My color scheme has lines of the form call High#Light("Comment", "italic", "bg", "#003300") with a quick and dirty function that maps to the current terminal's supported colours. http://pastebin.com/3jx1i75L http://pastebin.com/3jx1i75L

majewsky 11y ago

Neovim also has the terminal buffers, which Vim has explicitly stated to never add. (Source: Somewhere in :help, but unfortunately I can't find it right now.)

jbmorgado 11y ago
Well, from my previous not great experience with terminal inside Emacs I don't really need that. I would be much happier if Emacs and Vim just had correct color support in the console so that I could use both from the console in a Tmux terminal and have a real terminal open side-by-side with the editor. I can do that in Vim nicely after hacking the console colors, and Neovim without having to care about the colors and in Emacs it remains impossible.
- saturn_vk 11y ago
  I don't personally use the terminal support. Except it turns out that I actually did, implicitly. I use fzf for opening files, and I noticed recently that it's not actually 'integrated' into neovim, it just spawns within its terminal emulator. I tried fzf in vim, and the result was less than satisfactory, to say the least.
  - nickysielicki 11y ago
    <rant> I tried fzf after thinking it was just a vim plugin and the install-process immediately drove me away. Don't edit my dotfiles and change my $PATH with your installer. That shouldn't ever have to be said. </rant>
    - kroeber 11y ago
      There's an option: ./install --no-update-rc
- justinmk 11y ago
  > from my previous not great experience with terminal inside Emacs :terminal in Neovim works very well. > if Emacs and Vim just had correct color support in the console Neovim supports true color in terminals that support it.

Spiritus 11y ago

Don't forget true color support for those sweet colorschemes!

jbmorgado 11y ago
True, forgot that one and it's really cool to be able to use Neovim in the console without breaking my head over the colorscheme. It's a very overlooked feature that has a great positive impact in usability. Been talking in a bug thread spacemacs about this same problem for months and there is still no solution to be seen.
kps 11y ago
Yeah, it would be nice if vim supported that natively, but it's possible to work around. My color scheme has lines of the form call High#Light("Comment", "italic", "bg", "#003300") with a quick and dirty function that maps to the current terminal's supported colours. http://pastebin.com/3jx1i75L http://pastebin.com/3jx1i75L