> For what it's worth, personally, I'm doing a lot more than simple CRUD. I'm lucky enough to have worked at larger and larger scale with every job. Then would

> For what it's worth, personally, I'm doing a lot more than simple CRUD. I'm lucky enough to have worked at larger and larger scale with every job. Then wouldn't this invalidate your comment about doing nothing different between 1995 and 2010? > And is anybody making their living doing CRUD from scratch any more? I mean, not counting corporate Java programmers? (rimshot) Plenty do, I know lots taking high pay contracts doing nothing but CRUD. Many start-ups exist that do nothing beyond CRUD in PHP. I have nothing against scripting languages (I tried to make it clear by including J2EE/Oracle in the same category as LAMP). For when you have to do CRUD, at least for webapps, scripting languages are many times less painful than Java and C++. The "Hello World" Chapter in the Hibernate book is sixty pages, compare it with Perldoc for DBIx::Class (http://search.cpan.org/dist/DBIx-Class/lib/DBIx/Class.pm http://search.cpan.org/dist/DBIx-Class/lib/DBIx/Class.pm). Not to mention Hibernate is actually considered "light weight" compared to EJB and other enterprisey technologies (which luckily I've never been exposed to).