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We're not having a religious discussion here. We're talking academics: research, primary sources, etc. When did this become about beliefs?

by mholt 11y ago

gnaritas 11y ago
> You know there are academics who study this for a living, right? http://mi.byu.edu/ http://mi.byu.edu/ When you used BYU as a source, it became about beliefs. Religious institutions are not staffed by real academics, they're staffed by believers which disqualifies them as sources.
- mholt 11y ago
  > Religious institutions are not staffed by real academics, they're staffed by believers How do you explain this then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Brigham_Young_University_alumni https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Brigham_Young_Universi... - BYU scholars have just as much impact for good in this world as any other accredited university. I've had BYU professors who are not Mormon. How do you explain that?
  - gnaritas 11y ago
    It doesn't matter if there's a few there, you can't have a few good apples in a bad bunch. If you want to be taken seriously as an academic, you have to be one at a real university, i.e. a non-religious one. Religious universities are oxymoron's.
nitrogen 11y ago
This claim seems very strongly to suggest a system of belief that is not shared by all: "...the Book of Mormon, which originates ~600 BC in Jerusalem. In fact, page 1, verse 2 says..."
- mholt 11y ago
  A story is allowed to state its own setting, fictional or not. Remember not to confuse date of publication with date of events within it.
  - nitrogen 11y ago
    I think the key difference is in "originates in" vs. "claims to originate in." If you said, "The book claims to originate in 600BC," or, "The story within the book is set in 600BC Jerusalem," there would be less objection.
  - pluma 11y ago
    If I wrote a book about the Norman invasion today in Germany, saying the book "originates ~1000 CE in England" would at least be extremely misleading, no matter how factual any claims in the book might actually be.

We're not having a religious discussion here. We're talking academics: research, primary sources, etc. When did this become about beliefs?

by mholt 11y ago

We're not having a religious discussion here. We're talking academics: research, primary sources, etc. When did this become about beliefs?

gnaritas 11y ago

> You know there are academics who study this for a living, right? http://mi.byu.edu/ http://mi.byu.edu/ When you used BYU as a source, it became about beliefs. Religious institutions are not staffed by real academics, they're staffed by believers which disqualifies them as sources.

mholt 11y ago
> Religious institutions are not staffed by real academics, they're staffed by believers How do you explain this then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Brigham_Young_University_alumni https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Brigham_Young_Universi... - BYU scholars have just as much impact for good in this world as any other accredited university. I've had BYU professors who are not Mormon. How do you explain that?
- gnaritas 11y ago
  It doesn't matter if there's a few there, you can't have a few good apples in a bad bunch. If you want to be taken seriously as an academic, you have to be one at a real university, i.e. a non-religious one. Religious universities are oxymoron's.

nitrogen 11y ago

This claim seems very strongly to suggest a system of belief that is not shared by all: "...the Book of Mormon, which originates ~600 BC in Jerusalem. In fact, page 1, verse 2 says..."

mholt 11y ago
A story is allowed to state its own setting, fictional or not. Remember not to confuse date of publication with date of events within it.
- nitrogen 11y ago
  I think the key difference is in "originates in" vs. "claims to originate in." If you said, "The book claims to originate in 600BC," or, "The story within the book is set in 600BC Jerusalem," there would be less objection.
- pluma 11y ago
  If I wrote a book about the Norman invasion today in Germany, saying the book "originates ~1000 CE in England" would at least be extremely misleading, no matter how factual any claims in the book might actually be.