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Iirc comey said in one interview that they wanted to know which path they went on during missing minutes on the day of the shooting when the phone was with them

by ikeboy 11y ago

Iirc comey said in one interview that they wanted to know which path they went on during missing minutes on the day of the shooting when the phone was with them, and hoped the phone had location data. Edit: see http://nytimes.com/2016/03/02/technology/apple-and-fbi-face-off-before-house-judiciary-committee.html http://nytimes.com/2016/03/02/technology/apple-and-fbi-face-...

matt_wulfeck 11y ago
That data is easily available via tower pings without needing to unlock the phone. Who sets up their phone to record constant GPS coordinates?
- tdfx 11y ago
  People that use Google Latitude. Read: not terrorists.
- rasz_pl 11y ago
  apple, iphone saves timestamped gps coordinates every time it discovers available wifi network
  - nstj 11y ago
    Which iOS? Link available?
    - profeta 11y ago
      are you living under a rock for the last 10 years? here, first google result for the "ios location data": http://bgr.com/2015/04/01/iphone-location-tracking-map/ http://bgr.com/2015/04/01/iphone-location-tracking-map/
      - infinii 11y ago
        I was expecting you to link a 10 yr old article to prove your point.
        nstj 11y ago
        Well put
      - nstj 11y ago
        Where does this show that "the iPhone tracks my location every time it discovers a wifi network"? Sure I can have given permission for tracking to an app but if I haven't where does the iPhone/iOS store my location data? ps: downvotes?
- duaneb 11y ago
  Tower pings aren't terribly accurate.
- carboncopy 11y ago
  Do towers record past telemetry data? Assuming they do, the granularity of knowing that a particular tower handled a phone ping is comparatively useless. A guessed location (stored on the iPhone) based off of cell tower triangulation and the occasional GPS calculation is far more valuable. I do agree that we should consider the FBI's statement with skepticism.
  - pdkl95 11y ago
    > Do towers record past telemetry data? Yes. Did everyone forget about COTRAVELER? http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/national/how-the-nsa-is-tracking-people-right-now/634/ http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/national/how-the-nsa-i... > the granularity of knowing that a particular tower handled a phone ping is comparatively useless. No, it's not. A simple correlation with other phones tells you who is traveling together (co-travelers). This only requires knowing which phones are near each tower, at a fairly low temporal granularity. I'm sure there are additional ways to analyze that data, too. The travel and relationship map that COTRAVELER discovers is merely the project we know about.

by ikeboy 11y ago

matt_wulfeck 11y ago

That data is easily available via tower pings without needing to unlock the phone. Who sets up their phone to record constant GPS coordinates?

tdfx 11y ago
People that use Google Latitude. Read: not terrorists.
rasz_pl 11y ago
apple, iphone saves timestamped gps coordinates every time it discovers available wifi network
- nstj 11y ago
  Which iOS? Link available?
  - profeta 11y ago
    are you living under a rock for the last 10 years? here, first google result for the "ios location data": http://bgr.com/2015/04/01/iphone-location-tracking-map/ http://bgr.com/2015/04/01/iphone-location-tracking-map/
    - infinii 11y ago
      I was expecting you to link a 10 yr old article to prove your point.
      - nstj 11y ago
        Well put
    - nstj 11y ago
      Where does this show that "the iPhone tracks my location every time it discovers a wifi network"? Sure I can have given permission for tracking to an app but if I haven't where does the iPhone/iOS store my location data? ps: downvotes?
duaneb 11y ago
Tower pings aren't terribly accurate.
carboncopy 11y ago
Do towers record past telemetry data? Assuming they do, the granularity of knowing that a particular tower handled a phone ping is comparatively useless. A guessed location (stored on the iPhone) based off of cell tower triangulation and the occasional GPS calculation is far more valuable. I do agree that we should consider the FBI's statement with skepticism.
- pdkl95 11y ago
  > Do towers record past telemetry data? Yes. Did everyone forget about COTRAVELER? http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/national/how-the-nsa-is-tracking-people-right-now/634/ http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/national/how-the-nsa-i... > the granularity of knowing that a particular tower handled a phone ping is comparatively useless. No, it's not. A simple correlation with other phones tells you who is traveling together (co-travelers). This only requires knowing which phones are near each tower, at a fairly low temporal granularity. I'm sure there are additional ways to analyze that data, too. The travel and relationship map that COTRAVELER discovers is merely the project we know about.