> Even if I concede that GNU constitutes a 'system' in the way that RMS insists Remember: back in the day, there was no way to run a free Unix-like operating s

> Even if I concede that GNU constitutes a 'system' in the way that RMS insists Remember: back in the day, there was no way to run a free Unix-like operating system. GNU provided a way, and nothing else existed at the time, though BSD also emerged as free. The distros that followed are derivatives of GNU. Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian GNU/Linux, which actually recognizes this fact. > sing bash or even gcc is not sufficient to consider a system 'gnu', even by RMS' own statements The article mentioned Shuttleworth describing an "Ubuntu environment"; this seems to imply more far-reaching goals. I can't say what the result will be. I hope that others will explain it to me, or that there are many useful articles on the topic, because I can only watch and listen to what others are doing. > [Note: I have read those links many times, you can stop linking to them in every level of this conversation you engage in now, I think] I link to them in many threads because they will not otherwise be seen by the person I'm responding to.