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Oh sorry I meant to... "Social justice is the application of the concept of justice on a social scale." from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice http:

Oh sorry I meant to... "Social justice is the application of the concept of justice on a social scale." from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice

yummyfajitas 17y ago
That article doesn't really explain what social justice is, nor does your quoted sentence. What does "justice on a social scale" mean? Does it mean that groups (on the "social scale") are granted the same rights as individuals? I.e., make corporate [1] personhood a fundamental concept rather than a convenient interface? The only really concrete idea I get from the wikipedia article is that an unjust government is illegitimate (without explaining what "unjust" means), and that somehow equality of outcome is desirable. [1] By corporate, I mean any large explicitly defined group of people, not strictly limited liability corporations.
- apinstein 17y ago
  To me it means ensuring equal opportunity for all citizens. Historically that's included women's suffrage, ending slavery, civil rights legislation, public education, OSHA-type worker protections, fiscal policies that allow for upward mobility via opportunity and hard work, etc. I am sure others would include additional programs in the definition, but I think that anything crossing the line from providing equal opportunity to equal outcomes (ie quota programs) crosses the line of equitable treatment in the other direction.
  - yummyfajitas 17y ago
    How is that any different from regular justice? Women's suffrage, ending slavery and civil rights all seem like nothing more than individual justice. Also, I'm not sure how OSHA-type protections support equality of opportunity. How does removing the ability to negotiate workplace safety with one's employer create equality of opportunity? And also (more to the point), how does progressive taxation create equality of opportunity?
    - apinstein 17y ago
      Hmm good point. I was very busy today and didn't think too hard about my answers.... I think social justice is more about equality of individual justice as applied to people in different classes. I guess that's how I'd answer that. So OSHA requires protections for low-"class" workers that rich people would do if they were doing the work... something along those lines.

Oh sorry I meant to... "Social justice is the application of the concept of justice on a social scale." from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice

yummyfajitas 17y ago

That article doesn't really explain what social justice is, nor does your quoted sentence. What does "justice on a social scale" mean? Does it mean that groups (on the "social scale") are granted the same rights as individuals? I.e., make corporate [1] personhood a fundamental concept rather than a convenient interface? The only really concrete idea I get from the wikipedia article is that an unjust government is illegitimate (without explaining what "unjust" means), and that somehow equality of outcome is desirable. [1] By corporate, I mean any large explicitly defined group of people, not strictly limited liability corporations.

apinstein 17y ago
To me it means ensuring equal opportunity for all citizens. Historically that's included women's suffrage, ending slavery, civil rights legislation, public education, OSHA-type worker protections, fiscal policies that allow for upward mobility via opportunity and hard work, etc. I am sure others would include additional programs in the definition, but I think that anything crossing the line from providing equal opportunity to equal outcomes (ie quota programs) crosses the line of equitable treatment in the other direction.
- yummyfajitas 17y ago
  How is that any different from regular justice? Women's suffrage, ending slavery and civil rights all seem like nothing more than individual justice. Also, I'm not sure how OSHA-type protections support equality of opportunity. How does removing the ability to negotiate workplace safety with one's employer create equality of opportunity? And also (more to the point), how does progressive taxation create equality of opportunity?
  - apinstein 17y ago
    Hmm good point. I was very busy today and didn't think too hard about my answers.... I think social justice is more about equality of individual justice as applied to people in different classes. I guess that's how I'd answer that. So OSHA requires protections for low-"class" workers that rich people would do if they were doing the work... something along those lines.