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I think that's unnecessary. Obviously police officers shouldn't have to be shot before they are allowed to shoot people, so where is the cutoff?

DannoHung 10y ago
They should be shot at before they're allowed to shoot anyone, for sure.
rm_-rf_slash 10y ago
Shoot them with beanbags instead. You'll live with a hell of a bruise and a memory you won't soon forget. Obviously you won't do anything that leaves actual lasting harm. Let's not get silly here.
Broken_Hippo 10y ago
Shooting is obviously deadly force, which is usually unreasonable in most situations. There are other ways to deal with this - not allowing cops to carry guns on their person (kept in cars, with alarms and paperwork each time they are removed, plus automatic backup, etc) seems to help people think twice before entering a situation. In addition, you can have them talk to recovering gunshot victims, show graphic gun damage before they are out in the field, and other such things. Invasive searches, however, I fully agree with. Even at a lesser scale, standing there naked in front of your fellow workers getting your anus probed correctly is surely going to be memorable. I would fully support them using each other for training and proper procedure.
- bweitzman 10y ago
  I don't see why we should be relying on the emotional responses of people rather than on cold hard policy. I mean, to be fair, we already have the policy, but I think we should address why it's failing to be implemented. I'd guess that it's only a small part that due to an underestimate of the amount of harm various police tactics cause targets. This particular post clearly points out that that this is common and that there is a pattern, which IMO points to management rather than officers being the root cause. An officer should be thinking, "Wow I'm going to lose my job or face criminal charges if I do this search", not "Hmm I don't think this person is going to enjoy this search very much". And it's pretty obvious to me from the terrible epidemic of police brutality that this attitude is not common, nor encouraged.

DannoHung 10y ago

They should be shot at before they're allowed to shoot anyone, for sure.

rm_-rf_slash 10y ago

Shoot them with beanbags instead. You'll live with a hell of a bruise and a memory you won't soon forget. Obviously you won't do anything that leaves actual lasting harm. Let's not get silly here.

Broken_Hippo 10y ago

Shooting is obviously deadly force, which is usually unreasonable in most situations. There are other ways to deal with this - not allowing cops to carry guns on their person (kept in cars, with alarms and paperwork each time they are removed, plus automatic backup, etc) seems to help people think twice before entering a situation. In addition, you can have them talk to recovering gunshot victims, show graphic gun damage before they are out in the field, and other such things. Invasive searches, however, I fully agree with. Even at a lesser scale, standing there naked in front of your fellow workers getting your anus probed correctly is surely going to be memorable. I would fully support them using each other for training and proper procedure.

bweitzman 10y ago
I don't see why we should be relying on the emotional responses of people rather than on cold hard policy. I mean, to be fair, we already have the policy, but I think we should address why it's failing to be implemented. I'd guess that it's only a small part that due to an underestimate of the amount of harm various police tactics cause targets. This particular post clearly points out that that this is common and that there is a pattern, which IMO points to management rather than officers being the root cause. An officer should be thinking, "Wow I'm going to lose my job or face criminal charges if I do this search", not "Hmm I don't think this person is going to enjoy this search very much". And it's pretty obvious to me from the terrible epidemic of police brutality that this attitude is not common, nor encouraged.