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RTFM? Release versions are on pip. Unfortunately most distros think they have the one holy package management solution. pip IS a release and distribution system

by boxfire 10y ago

RTFM? Release versions are on pip. Unfortunately most distros think they have the one holy package management solution. pip IS a release and distribution system. With the current popularity of Python, it is only going to be a matter of time before apt / rpm / etc support working through it.

tomc1985 10y ago
It is trivial to generate a .deb from nearly any pip module... sudo apt-get install devscripts python-all-dev python-stdeb; cd path~to~pip; python setup.py --command-packages=stdeb.command bdist_deb
- duaneb 10y ago
  It's trivial to do a lot of niche catering and die by a thousand cuts. It's also trivial to install pip.
  - tomc1985 10y ago
    I'd hardly call debian and its derivatives 'niche', but whatever floats your boat...
    - duaneb 10y ago
      It's not niche in terms of OS deployment, perhaps, but a user's request for a `deb` file over traditional python packaging certainly is.
      - tomc1985 10y ago
        Perhaps, but this is to answer the call of 'os-native' packaging. I'd figure between msi+pkg+rpm+deb you'd have most of the bases covered.
        duaneb 10y ago
        Death by a thousand cuts! Pip is enough for anyone with google.
        tomc1985 10y ago
        This sounds crazy but we are actually in a situation where it is preferable to deploy python libraries via APT
rinon 10y ago
Hm, I wish my package manager understood pip. I always forget to upgrade pip along with my distro packages.
fao_ 10y ago
cough Arch User Repository, the one holy package management solution calling in cough ;)
- asamarin 10y ago
  Indeed. Can't remember last time I installed a package using pip. This one, particularly, sits at https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/voltron-git/ https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/voltron-git/
tacone 10y ago
> With the current popularity of Python, it is only going to be a matter of time before apt / rpm / etc support working through it. LOL, not gonna happen. Ever.
seanp2k2 10y ago
Yep, just like what happened with CPAN and PEAR / PECL. Perl and PHP were / are popular too (so are ruby and node and go and Java and C++ and ...) and yet they still have their own independent package managers despite sometimes having very outdated versions of some modules in an distro's packaging system.

by boxfire 10y ago

tomc1985 10y ago

It is trivial to generate a .deb from nearly any pip module... sudo apt-get install devscripts python-all-dev python-stdeb; cd path~to~pip; python setup.py --command-packages=stdeb.command bdist_deb

duaneb 10y ago
It's trivial to do a lot of niche catering and die by a thousand cuts. It's also trivial to install pip.
- tomc1985 10y ago
  I'd hardly call debian and its derivatives 'niche', but whatever floats your boat...
  - duaneb 10y ago
    It's not niche in terms of OS deployment, perhaps, but a user's request for a `deb` file over traditional python packaging certainly is.
    - tomc1985 10y ago
      Perhaps, but this is to answer the call of 'os-native' packaging. I'd figure between msi+pkg+rpm+deb you'd have most of the bases covered.
      - duaneb 10y ago
        Death by a thousand cuts! Pip is enough for anyone with google.
        tomc1985 10y ago
        This sounds crazy but we are actually in a situation where it is preferable to deploy python libraries via APT

rinon 10y ago

Hm, I wish my package manager understood pip. I always forget to upgrade pip along with my distro packages.

fao_ 10y ago

cough Arch User Repository, the one holy package management solution calling in cough ;)

asamarin 10y ago
Indeed. Can't remember last time I installed a package using pip. This one, particularly, sits at https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/voltron-git/ https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/voltron-git/

tacone 10y ago

> With the current popularity of Python, it is only going to be a matter of time before apt / rpm / etc support working through it. LOL, not gonna happen. Ever.

seanp2k2 10y ago

Yep, just like what happened with CPAN and PEAR / PECL. Perl and PHP were / are popular too (so are ruby and node and go and Java and C++ and ...) and yet they still have their own independent package managers despite sometimes having very outdated versions of some modules in an distro's packaging system.