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I'm ashamed of being italian. Also thepiratebay has been censored here. I'm seriously looking to relocate in another country.

vladocar 17y ago
Me too. The government (Berlusconi) is controlling all the media besides Internet. They are trying to kill the last free medium.
- fauigerzigerk 17y ago
  But isn't Berlusconi in a constant tug of war with the judiciary? In what way do you think he has influence on this particular decision?
  - gtufano 17y ago
    The idea is that a tight control on free media would ease the control of public opinion by the media he controls. Beside the war with the judiciary, he controls directly the three main generalist TV channels and, indirectly, the three channels of public TV. The less "video" are on air, the best for his control. Beware, it's a political idea and, in Italy, it's matter of serious discussion. I'm just explaining for a "non Italian" audience independently from the fact that I endorse or not the idea. My opinion is that this government is generically hostile to the free information and to the fact that there is something out of control, there is no need for "special" theories... the plain, old, obscurantism is more than enough. btw: in this country is forbidden to have WiFi hotspots without having control on who have access to the Internet. Whoever have an open WiFi AP is considered an ISP so he must have many months nogs and so on... Scary, I know...
    - davidw 17y ago
      I think the OP's point is not without some sense: Berlusconi is always criticizing the judiciary, and frankly, in this case I'd criticize the judiciary too, so perhaps it even lends a bit of weight to his argument. Well, I don't really think so, as I think he's up to his hair implants in corrupt schemes, but still, it bears considering.
yumraj 17y ago
Don't relocate, it's the easy way out, change the country. Start with the politicians, the government and then the laws. Last I checked, Italy was a democracy.
- mattm 17y ago
  Let's see here: Spend the next 20-30 years of your life trying to change the way institutions do things and going up against people who want to keep the status quo because it keeps them in power. Or Spend a few months preparing to move to another country that matches your values. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
  - chadmalik 17y ago
    Right until your new chosen country does the same. If everyone does as you are suggesting, pretty soon you will run out of options and every nation will be the same.
    - viraptor 17y ago
      Last time I was thinking about it, I got to a more optimistic solution... but time will verify what is true. A couple of ideas: If someone moves around, he/she's probably more capable of adaptation than many others. He/she's probably also more intelligent than an average Joe. They're also less likely to have a family and probably around the age where they might want one. So it's quite probable, that it's really a migration of talent. This talent positively influences the destination country (as do the taxes you pay there)... In the end - one might hope that by migrating, you're not only helping themselves, but voting with their actions and supporting the laws they accept... Oh well... time to go back to reality ;)
    - jackowayed 17y ago
      No, what would happen if everyone did that is that a lot of people will say "oh, <insert country here> is doing a really good job at maintaining freedom", and so a bunch of freedom nuts move there and (we're assuming everyone does it, remember) that'll be a large- and passionate-enough niche (they're passionate enough to move for better freedom, remember) that they'll have influence over the government and be able to keep it from happening. Also, as much as we hate to admit it because it makes us feel insignificant, "if everyone does it" is not a very good way to make decisions. Unless you have a lot of influence over many, many other people, nobody else is going to do it just because you did it.

vladocar 17y ago

Me too. The government (Berlusconi) is controlling all the media besides Internet. They are trying to kill the last free medium.

fauigerzigerk 17y ago
But isn't Berlusconi in a constant tug of war with the judiciary? In what way do you think he has influence on this particular decision?
- gtufano 17y ago
  The idea is that a tight control on free media would ease the control of public opinion by the media he controls. Beside the war with the judiciary, he controls directly the three main generalist TV channels and, indirectly, the three channels of public TV. The less "video" are on air, the best for his control. Beware, it's a political idea and, in Italy, it's matter of serious discussion. I'm just explaining for a "non Italian" audience independently from the fact that I endorse or not the idea. My opinion is that this government is generically hostile to the free information and to the fact that there is something out of control, there is no need for "special" theories... the plain, old, obscurantism is more than enough. btw: in this country is forbidden to have WiFi hotspots without having control on who have access to the Internet. Whoever have an open WiFi AP is considered an ISP so he must have many months nogs and so on... Scary, I know...
  - davidw 17y ago
    I think the OP's point is not without some sense: Berlusconi is always criticizing the judiciary, and frankly, in this case I'd criticize the judiciary too, so perhaps it even lends a bit of weight to his argument. Well, I don't really think so, as I think he's up to his hair implants in corrupt schemes, but still, it bears considering.

yumraj 17y ago

Don't relocate, it's the easy way out, change the country. Start with the politicians, the government and then the laws. Last I checked, Italy was a democracy.

mattm 17y ago
Let's see here: Spend the next 20-30 years of your life trying to change the way institutions do things and going up against people who want to keep the status quo because it keeps them in power. Or Spend a few months preparing to move to another country that matches your values. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
- chadmalik 17y ago
  Right until your new chosen country does the same. If everyone does as you are suggesting, pretty soon you will run out of options and every nation will be the same.
  - viraptor 17y ago
    Last time I was thinking about it, I got to a more optimistic solution... but time will verify what is true. A couple of ideas: If someone moves around, he/she's probably more capable of adaptation than many others. He/she's probably also more intelligent than an average Joe. They're also less likely to have a family and probably around the age where they might want one. So it's quite probable, that it's really a migration of talent. This talent positively influences the destination country (as do the taxes you pay there)... In the end - one might hope that by migrating, you're not only helping themselves, but voting with their actions and supporting the laws they accept... Oh well... time to go back to reality ;)
  - jackowayed 17y ago
    No, what would happen if everyone did that is that a lot of people will say "oh, <insert country here> is doing a really good job at maintaining freedom", and so a bunch of freedom nuts move there and (we're assuming everyone does it, remember) that'll be a large- and passionate-enough niche (they're passionate enough to move for better freedom, remember) that they'll have influence over the government and be able to keep it from happening. Also, as much as we hate to admit it because it makes us feel insignificant, "if everyone does it" is not a very good way to make decisions. Unless you have a lot of influence over many, many other people, nobody else is going to do it just because you did it.