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> You make it sound like this is a positive thing Meaning only exists between our ears -- it's not some intrinsic attribute of reality. I, for example, experie

> You make it sound like this is a positive thing Meaning only exists between our ears -- it's not some intrinsic attribute of reality. I, for example, experience bouts of depression, where nothing about the world around me has changed, and yet my perception of (and feelings about) it becomes melancholic and devoid of purpose or meaning. If you walk away from an experience with a renewed sense of meaning or purpose, even if you can't give a rational reason for such changes, I would think that would still be a good thing, no?

ars 11y ago
No, because it's not real. He felt a connection between himself and the snail. There is no actual connection, but he felt it. If he believes that connection to be real he will act on it, but those actions will not be the right ones because their basis is false. The problem is that it's actually possible to have a real connection, even between a person and a snail, but instead of a real connection you have the feeling of a connection, without the actuality of it. > with a renewed sense of meaning or purpose You are saying something different from what he said. I don't argue with what you said, because you are right, how a person experiences things is all internal. But I feel like the drug is giving a fake experience, when the real one is possible. That's where the problem lies - you are fooling yourself, pretending you have something, when you don't.
- rpearl 11y ago
  What's an "actual connection"? What is the "real" experience?
- meric 11y ago
  >> the feeling of a connection He's writing about the snail, and we, in replying, are all talking about the snail he's talking about. The snail made quite an impression. And he's more aware of the snail than he would be without taking LSD. He's taken the LSD. The snail changed how his mind works - it affected the words you wrote today - and my words, too. If he didn't have anything, you wouldn't be writing about it, and I wouldn't be replying to you. Your comment is real, as is mine, as is the impression the snail made on him. It cannot be a "fake" experience, if he experienced it in actuality. His experience of the snail was changed, though it's appropriate to say the snail's experience of him was not changed much by him taking LSD. >> i could feel him as part of me, connected, in this journey called life. The snail is part of him now. It's even a part you, and me, too, in participating conversation involving him.
- collyw 11y ago
  Sorry but you really sound as if you have no idea what you are talking about. What makes one experience real and another not real? You have no idea what someone else is experiencing (you can observer their reaction to it, but you have no idea about the actual experience) so I don't know how you can dismiss one as real and another as not real.
- errl 11y ago
  What is the "real experience" you are talking about? You don't seem to understand what said "connection" is even referring to, it's not a physical fishing line.

ars 11y ago

No, because it's not real. He felt a connection between himself and the snail. There is no actual connection, but he felt it. If he believes that connection to be real he will act on it, but those actions will not be the right ones because their basis is false. The problem is that it's actually possible to have a real connection, even between a person and a snail, but instead of a real connection you have the feeling of a connection, without the actuality of it. > with a renewed sense of meaning or purpose You are saying something different from what he said. I don't argue with what you said, because you are right, how a person experiences things is all internal. But I feel like the drug is giving a fake experience, when the real one is possible. That's where the problem lies - you are fooling yourself, pretending you have something, when you don't.

rpearl 11y ago
What's an "actual connection"? What is the "real" experience?
meric 11y ago
>> the feeling of a connection He's writing about the snail, and we, in replying, are all talking about the snail he's talking about. The snail made quite an impression. And he's more aware of the snail than he would be without taking LSD. He's taken the LSD. The snail changed how his mind works - it affected the words you wrote today - and my words, too. If he didn't have anything, you wouldn't be writing about it, and I wouldn't be replying to you. Your comment is real, as is mine, as is the impression the snail made on him. It cannot be a "fake" experience, if he experienced it in actuality. His experience of the snail was changed, though it's appropriate to say the snail's experience of him was not changed much by him taking LSD. >> i could feel him as part of me, connected, in this journey called life. The snail is part of him now. It's even a part you, and me, too, in participating conversation involving him.
collyw 11y ago
Sorry but you really sound as if you have no idea what you are talking about. What makes one experience real and another not real? You have no idea what someone else is experiencing (you can observer their reaction to it, but you have no idea about the actual experience) so I don't know how you can dismiss one as real and another as not real.
errl 11y ago
What is the "real experience" you are talking about? You don't seem to understand what said "connection" is even referring to, it's not a physical fishing line.