6 ms·

One major flaw with this article is the notion that supercharging takes 30 - 45 minutes. A typical stop duration at a supercharger is 15 minutes. The author al

by shifter 10y ago

One major flaw with this article is the notion that supercharging takes 30 - 45 minutes. A typical stop duration at a supercharger is 15 minutes. The author also fails to mention the most appealing aspect of the car for the performance oriented: instant torque. After getting a Model S, I could never go back to the days of gears (even manually controlled gear changes are sluggish in comparison).

peeters 10y ago
Another is his math. > I’m the “shit talker” for boggling at the idea that people are going to be happy about waiting around for half an hour to forty-five minutes to get back on the road again? We’re talking waits-to-get-going that are 150 times the typical 5 minute refuel with a gas-engined car. Yeah I'd balk at a 12.5 hour wait time too.
- cortesoft 10y ago
  Yeah, I was really confused by that line, too. Where did he get the 150 from?! Unless he takes 18 seconds to fill his car with gas?
  - dsfyu404ed 10y ago
    If you just count time when the pump is pumping some of the really old pumps could definitely fill a compact with a small gas tank in 15-20sec. While that's not the norm but it's definitely possible.
- sremani 10y ago
  May be he is talking L2 charging. On Bolt it is 9 hours, so Model 3 will be similar on 240V plug.
dragontamer 10y ago
https://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger https://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger Tesla claims 170 miles after 30-minutes of "super-charging". I think it is fair to say 30-minutes of super-charging is a fair amount. 40-minutes of charging goes from 0% to 80%, while it will take 75 minutes total to go all the way to 100%. If you argue against these numbers, you're arguing against official Tesla marketing... so you better give me a good citation why supercharging is only 15-minutes. Maybe the typical supercharging stop is only 15-minutes because that's all the patience people have. In any case, they're not getting a full charge in 15-minutes.
FireBeyond 10y ago
Which is odd, because supposedly a 30 minute stop will only get you 170 miles of range. So 15 minutes gets you 85? 90? Versus 3-4 minutes getting me 450 miles in my Audi, for example. So the complaint is that the article implies that every 3-4 hours you might need to stop for 30-45 minutes, while the reality is that every 1.5-2h you might need to stop for 15 minutes? (assuming there's a supercharger there)? Not sure that's better. Also not sure that you can correlate "how long an average driver uses the Supercharger for" with use cases, as those are unknown. Do they need a boost to get home? Or are they more content with stopping every 90 minutes on a longer trip?
dsfyu404ed 10y ago
A 15min stop feels a lot longer when it's 1AM and you just want to be home already.
- dragontamer 10y ago
  To be fair, the electric model assumes you have a home charger for your vehicle. Unless you're driving cross country, the super-charger network isn't a major issue. Unfortunately, most people I know drive cross country at least once a year (beach trips across State lines, vacations, etc. etc). So its definitely a concern. I think a pure electric vehicle makes for a great commuter car, since you charge at home and never have to go out to a gas station. But for long trips, the lack of gas stations becomes a flaw, as opposed to an asset.

by shifter 10y ago

peeters 10y ago

Another is his math. > I’m the “shit talker” for boggling at the idea that people are going to be happy about waiting around for half an hour to forty-five minutes to get back on the road again? We’re talking waits-to-get-going that are 150 times the typical 5 minute refuel with a gas-engined car. Yeah I'd balk at a 12.5 hour wait time too.

cortesoft 10y ago
Yeah, I was really confused by that line, too. Where did he get the 150 from?! Unless he takes 18 seconds to fill his car with gas?
- dsfyu404ed 10y ago
  If you just count time when the pump is pumping some of the really old pumps could definitely fill a compact with a small gas tank in 15-20sec. While that's not the norm but it's definitely possible.
sremani 10y ago
May be he is talking L2 charging. On Bolt it is 9 hours, so Model 3 will be similar on 240V plug.

dragontamer 10y ago

https://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger https://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger Tesla claims 170 miles after 30-minutes of "super-charging". I think it is fair to say 30-minutes of super-charging is a fair amount. 40-minutes of charging goes from 0% to 80%, while it will take 75 minutes total to go all the way to 100%. If you argue against these numbers, you're arguing against official Tesla marketing... so you better give me a good citation why supercharging is only 15-minutes. Maybe the typical supercharging stop is only 15-minutes because that's all the patience people have. In any case, they're not getting a full charge in 15-minutes.

FireBeyond 10y ago

Which is odd, because supposedly a 30 minute stop will only get you 170 miles of range. So 15 minutes gets you 85? 90? Versus 3-4 minutes getting me 450 miles in my Audi, for example. So the complaint is that the article implies that every 3-4 hours you might need to stop for 30-45 minutes, while the reality is that every 1.5-2h you might need to stop for 15 minutes? (assuming there's a supercharger there)? Not sure that's better. Also not sure that you can correlate "how long an average driver uses the Supercharger for" with use cases, as those are unknown. Do they need a boost to get home? Or are they more content with stopping every 90 minutes on a longer trip?

dsfyu404ed 10y ago

A 15min stop feels a lot longer when it's 1AM and you just want to be home already.

dragontamer 10y ago
To be fair, the electric model assumes you have a home charger for your vehicle. Unless you're driving cross country, the super-charger network isn't a major issue. Unfortunately, most people I know drive cross country at least once a year (beach trips across State lines, vacations, etc. etc). So its definitely a concern. I think a pure electric vehicle makes for a great commuter car, since you charge at home and never have to go out to a gas station. But for long trips, the lack of gas stations becomes a flaw, as opposed to an asset.