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Has this diverged from WHATWG's "living" HTML spec or is it just a snapshot of it?

cmrx64 11y ago
The WHATWG and W3C are only vaguely related. https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#WHATWG_and_the_W3C_HTML_WG https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#WHATWG_and_the_W3C_HTML_WG
mozumder 11y ago
They basically hate each other.
- bshimmin 11y ago
  I think the WHATWG would have a nice time finishing off CSS3. (Seriously, the W3C started writing drafts in 1999; is it ever going to be finished? Why did they start on CSS4 before finishing CSS3?)
stupidcar 11y ago
I'm guessing it's yet another hostile fork: https://annevankesteren.nl/2016/01/film-at-11 https://annevankesteren.nl/2016/01/film-at-11 As far as I understand, they (the W3C) do this every few months in an attempt to wrest defacto control of HTML back from WHATWG. They copy the WHATWG spec, strip out the licensing and authorship information, and publish as "their" HTML spec. Then a few months passes, their copy falls behind the actively edited WHATWG one, so they have to fork it again. And so on, and so on. It's really pretty pathetic.
- currysausage 11y ago
  This message by Hixie is very insightful if you like to delve into the details of WHATWG/W3C politics: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2014Apr/0034.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2014Apr/0034...
  - veidr 11y ago
    Thanks; that long message was fascinating to a programmer who doesn't really follow this stuff.
  - danieloaks 11y ago
    That's a really interesting look at the politics between those two. Applies to some stuff I'm involved in too. Useful link, thanks very much for sharing!
CM30 11y ago
The W3C prefer their specifications to be 'finished' at a certain point, and the WHATWG simply add their changes to the living spec. So for the most part, changes get made in the WHATWG spec, they get copied to the W3C one, the W3C then stops copying additions at a certain point (say, when HTML 5.0 is considered 'complete') and then moves onto version 5.1. So version 5.1 is basically all the WHATWG additions that didn't make it into 5.0 before the spec was 'finalised', along with various changes made because the two groups don't get along with each other too well.

The WHATWG and W3C are only vaguely related. https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#WHATWG_and_the_W3C_HTML_WG https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#WHATWG_and_the_W3C_HTML_WG

mozumder 11y ago

They basically hate each other.

bshimmin 11y ago
I think the WHATWG would have a nice time finishing off CSS3. (Seriously, the W3C started writing drafts in 1999; is it ever going to be finished? Why did they start on CSS4 before finishing CSS3?)

stupidcar 11y ago

I'm guessing it's yet another hostile fork: https://annevankesteren.nl/2016/01/film-at-11 https://annevankesteren.nl/2016/01/film-at-11 As far as I understand, they (the W3C) do this every few months in an attempt to wrest defacto control of HTML back from WHATWG. They copy the WHATWG spec, strip out the licensing and authorship information, and publish as "their" HTML spec. Then a few months passes, their copy falls behind the actively edited WHATWG one, so they have to fork it again. And so on, and so on. It's really pretty pathetic.

currysausage 11y ago
This message by Hixie is very insightful if you like to delve into the details of WHATWG/W3C politics: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2014Apr/0034.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2014Apr/0034...
- veidr 11y ago
  Thanks; that long message was fascinating to a programmer who doesn't really follow this stuff.
- danieloaks 11y ago
  That's a really interesting look at the politics between those two. Applies to some stuff I'm involved in too. Useful link, thanks very much for sharing!

CM30 11y ago

The W3C prefer their specifications to be 'finished' at a certain point, and the WHATWG simply add their changes to the living spec. So for the most part, changes get made in the WHATWG spec, they get copied to the W3C one, the W3C then stops copying additions at a certain point (say, when HTML 5.0 is considered 'complete') and then moves onto version 5.1. So version 5.1 is basically all the WHATWG additions that didn't make it into 5.0 before the spec was 'finalised', along with various changes made because the two groups don't get along with each other too well.