>accept war ... and the damage it does to people I don't see how you can be so against torture We have collectively abolished many weapons and practices: chemi

>accept war ... and the damage it does to people I don't see how you can be so against torture We have collectively abolished many weapons and practices: chemical (e.g. nerve gas), technological (e.g. blinding lasers), or (e.g. booby traps), as well as many tactics (e.g. public executions). We held meetings (the Geneva/Hague conventions), and agreed these acts were too evil to continue. Now those choices are uniformly accepted as being progressive for our society. War is hell. We do hellish things to the "other" side. Historically, the "other" side often ends up being on "our" side sooner rather than later (alliances+migration). Every so often we decide which actions are too inhuman to perform, regardless of what uniform the human is wearing (if any). Right now we are deciding on whether the secrecy and severity of physical and mental torture, with no representation or defence available, is on the wrong side of who we want to be.